1 00:00:28,929 --> 00:00:23,950 [Music] 2 00:00:32,210 --> 00:00:28,939 the smoke radio for the masses of July 8 3 00:00:34,610 --> 00:00:32,220 1947 the Army Air Forces has announced 4 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:34,620 that a flying disc has been found and is 5 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:36,780 now in the possession of the army 6 00:00:43,549 --> 00:00:39,840 game is rigged change the game game 7 00:00:46,790 --> 00:00:43,559 changer I occasionally think how quickly 8 00:00:49,910 --> 00:00:46,800 hard difference is worldwide would 9 00:00:51,890 --> 00:00:49,920 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 10 00:00:53,710 --> 00:00:51,900 from outside this work 11 00:00:53,890 --> 00:00:53,720 [Music] 12 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:53,900 [Applause] 13 00:00:59,209 --> 00:00:56,239 [Music] 14 00:01:02,029 --> 00:00:59,219 this is Fade to Black with your host 15 00:01:02,660 --> 00:01:02,039 Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio 16 00:01:10,730 --> 00:01:02,670 Network 17 00:01:18,969 --> 00:01:14,929 oops oops oops there I am welcome Fade 18 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:18,979 to Black today's Monday December 5th 19 00:01:24,890 --> 00:01:22,860 2022 welcome everybody tonight Our Guest 20 00:01:28,609 --> 00:01:24,900 is Grant Cameron 21 00:01:30,890 --> 00:01:28,619 it's been a UFO researcher since 1975 22 00:01:33,590 --> 00:01:30,900 he's an author Charlie Red Star amongst 23 00:01:37,609 --> 00:01:33,600 other books of course his website is 24 00:01:39,410 --> 00:01:37,619 presidential ufo.com and I would like to 25 00:01:41,749 --> 00:01:39,420 welcome back to uh Fade to Black our 26 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:41,759 good friend Grant Cameron Grant good 27 00:01:46,609 --> 00:01:44,340 evening young man how you doing not too 28 00:01:50,090 --> 00:01:46,619 bad Jimmy how are you it's another night 29 00:01:52,310 --> 00:01:50,100 with Grant man I'm I'm excited we got 30 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:52,320 some stuff we've got some stuff yeah 31 00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:54,240 we've got a lot of stuff to do before we 32 00:01:59,270 --> 00:01:56,640 get started happy holidays uh you know 33 00:02:01,130 --> 00:01:59,280 we're you know we just got uh well we do 34 00:02:03,050 --> 00:02:01,140 we do Thanksgiving a couple of weeks 35 00:02:05,510 --> 00:02:03,060 after you guys but we got through that 36 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:05,520 and the holidays are upon us are you 37 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:06,540 ready 38 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:11,099 like the old days with the family but um 39 00:02:16,369 --> 00:02:13,560 yeah it's um my system was just back 40 00:02:17,630 --> 00:02:16,379 into Winnipeg and she uh actually does 41 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:17,640 that I don't know if you know Odessa but 42 00:02:21,949 --> 00:02:20,280 she had um had Christmas yesterday so 43 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:21,959 we're sort of getting used to you know 44 00:02:25,010 --> 00:02:23,640 when the families travel around and you 45 00:02:27,170 --> 00:02:25,020 can't be there for Christmas you come in 46 00:02:29,330 --> 00:02:27,180 early or whatever so I'll be seeing my 47 00:02:31,070 --> 00:02:29,340 son maybe he lives in Vancouver I'll be 48 00:02:32,510 --> 00:02:31,080 going there after Christmas maybe a 49 00:02:34,790 --> 00:02:32,520 month after Christmas and celebrate 50 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:34,800 there but uh yeah it's we got the snow 51 00:02:39,229 --> 00:02:36,959 so that's all we need yeah that's it 52 00:02:40,850 --> 00:02:39,239 that's that's always the indicator yeah 53 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:40,860 for me 54 00:02:47,650 --> 00:02:44,640 I've got two red bows uh on my front 55 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:50,030 lets me know that we're we're in the 56 00:02:55,850 --> 00:02:53,220 season so uh but happy holidays yeah I I 57 00:02:57,890 --> 00:02:55,860 had a little holiday dinner uh 58 00:03:00,890 --> 00:02:57,900 get-together uh party over the weekend 59 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:00,900 and it was great having friends over and 60 00:03:05,690 --> 00:03:04,260 you know it's just kind of strange how 61 00:03:07,309 --> 00:03:05,700 um you know the last two three years 62 00:03:08,750 --> 00:03:07,319 with everything that the world went 63 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:08,760 through 64 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:11,040 um I'm still I think all of us are 65 00:03:15,710 --> 00:03:14,040 getting acclimated to to you know 66 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:15,720 getting back out and doing things again 67 00:03:21,290 --> 00:03:18,300 it's just like a weird feeling how we 68 00:03:24,350 --> 00:03:21,300 had it drilled down on us for so long 69 00:03:27,470 --> 00:03:24,360 and it just feels feels weird feels 70 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:27,480 right but you know it's gonna take a 71 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:28,319 minute 72 00:03:31,729 --> 00:03:30,000 um I think that's why your economy it 73 00:03:32,750 --> 00:03:31,739 keeps heating up and heating up as more 74 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:32,760 and more people coming out of the 75 00:03:37,369 --> 00:03:35,280 woodwork to start and hire people and 76 00:03:39,050 --> 00:03:37,379 get things going and so it's like you 77 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:39,060 wait for the unemployment to draw you 78 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:40,980 know the employment but more and more 79 00:03:43,729 --> 00:03:42,299 people are getting hired in this because 80 00:03:48,009 --> 00:03:43,739 everything is 81 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:48,019 is moving from dead stop to full speed 82 00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:51,420 yeah do you you bring up a really good 83 00:03:56,750 --> 00:03:53,420 point let me ask you this 84 00:03:58,869 --> 00:03:56,760 does the Canadian I'm not talking about 85 00:04:01,610 --> 00:03:58,879 what I get from the news or or 86 00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:01,620 economists or whatever forget about that 87 00:04:05,449 --> 00:04:04,080 I'm just asking you my friend Grant 88 00:04:08,089 --> 00:04:05,459 Cameron 89 00:04:11,449 --> 00:04:08,099 um a resident of Canada 90 00:04:13,789 --> 00:04:11,459 um does the Canadian economy run 91 00:04:16,189 --> 00:04:13,799 alongside ours if we're doing good you 92 00:04:19,129 --> 00:04:16,199 guys do good if we fall off do you guys 93 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:19,139 fall off or is it completely independent 94 00:04:24,950 --> 00:04:22,560 yeah ours does except in 2008 when your 95 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:24,960 uh housing market crashed because of the 96 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:27,240 way you lend money ours didn't crash so 97 00:04:31,129 --> 00:04:29,040 in 2008 we didn't have a crash but 98 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:31,139 otherwise we go into the dump the same 99 00:04:34,189 --> 00:04:32,280 as you because it's pretty linked 100 00:04:36,770 --> 00:04:34,199 together with the with the car industry 101 00:04:39,590 --> 00:04:36,780 and uh everything is pretty pretty much 102 00:04:41,689 --> 00:04:39,600 linked we all watch American TV and you 103 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:41,699 know it's everybody lives along the 104 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:43,680 border so it's it's pretty much just 105 00:04:49,070 --> 00:04:47,400 like the 51st state yeah yeah that's I I 106 00:04:52,610 --> 00:04:49,080 assume that 107 00:04:55,370 --> 00:04:52,620 um uh the you know the strange thing 108 00:04:58,790 --> 00:04:55,380 um I know you're aware of this 109 00:05:03,110 --> 00:04:58,800 um in the United States has got a real 110 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:03,120 issue with blinders in that they think 111 00:05:08,030 --> 00:05:05,040 the rest of the world is like you know 112 00:05:10,249 --> 00:05:08,040 they don't pay attention to to anything 113 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:10,259 out there it's always just the United 114 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:14,040 States and to to that degree 115 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:17,280 it's it's weird we barely know we have a 116 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:19,740 country to the north of us and another 117 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:24,120 one to the south of us we we don't we 118 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:25,740 don't know much about Canada we don't 119 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:28,440 know much about Mexico and it's it's 120 00:05:32,930 --> 00:05:30,840 just a really really strange thing we 121 00:05:34,969 --> 00:05:32,940 barely know Canada is there probably 122 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:34,979 because you guys are so polite and quiet 123 00:05:40,310 --> 00:05:38,220 most of the time but we always did 124 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:40,320 notice that we we used to make action we 125 00:05:43,909 --> 00:05:42,000 actually make jokes about it and there 126 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:43,919 was actually a TV show that said talking 127 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:46,080 to Americans that talked about how 128 00:05:49,370 --> 00:05:47,400 Americans really don't know anything 129 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:49,380 outside themselves we we live right 130 00:05:53,749 --> 00:05:51,240 north of North Dakota so we would always 131 00:05:54,830 --> 00:05:53,759 in the days when the um things were 132 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:54,840 cheaper in the States they're not 133 00:05:58,670 --> 00:05:56,820 cheaper in States anymore but we used to 134 00:06:00,830 --> 00:05:58,680 go down to Grand Forks and Fargo to shop 135 00:06:02,510 --> 00:06:00,840 and we used to play these games with 136 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:02,520 American money and you'd have these kids 137 00:06:05,870 --> 00:06:04,080 who are like out of high school 18 138 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:05,880 working in the restaurant and they look 139 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:07,919 and say what's this we say it's Canadian 140 00:06:11,689 --> 00:06:09,840 money and they go Canadian money and 141 00:06:14,990 --> 00:06:11,699 they'd never seen it before and we're 142 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:15,000 going wow and this is only like like 50 143 00:06:20,330 --> 00:06:17,880 or 75 miles from the border where you 144 00:06:21,950 --> 00:06:20,340 get this sort of a divide where you guys 145 00:06:24,590 --> 00:06:21,960 have your news is basically American 146 00:06:27,770 --> 00:06:24,600 News whereas ours is more like British 147 00:06:30,950 --> 00:06:27,780 news where you know it's like a the BBC 148 00:06:33,290 --> 00:06:30,960 where it's like world news section and 149 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:33,300 then the local news comes after that but 150 00:06:38,990 --> 00:06:36,720 uh yeah it's a it's an interesting uh uh 151 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:39,000 dichotomy between your country and ours 152 00:06:42,050 --> 00:06:40,620 ours everybody seems to know what's 153 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:42,060 going on in the United States we all 154 00:06:47,090 --> 00:06:45,060 even my family it's all political and 155 00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:47,100 you know we have these fights about you 156 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:48,479 know who should be thrown in jail and 157 00:06:52,189 --> 00:06:50,520 all this kind of stuff it's it's really 158 00:06:53,570 --> 00:06:52,199 um and it's like you my mother really 159 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:53,580 gets into it my sister and it's like 160 00:06:56,689 --> 00:06:55,020 what are you getting so upset you can't 161 00:06:59,330 --> 00:06:56,699 vote for anyway you know it's like but 162 00:07:01,010 --> 00:06:59,340 they're like you're ready to die for you 163 00:07:02,749 --> 00:07:01,020 know certain people that are running in 164 00:07:06,529 --> 00:07:02,759 in the American government and they 165 00:07:09,050 --> 00:07:06,539 can't vote it's just bizarre I I saw I 166 00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:09,060 don't do Politics on this show right I I 167 00:07:13,070 --> 00:07:11,100 avoid it I don't do politics in my 168 00:07:14,689 --> 00:07:13,080 personal life either by the way but 169 00:07:19,370 --> 00:07:14,699 anyway 170 00:07:22,129 --> 00:07:19,380 I saw a video clip and in a news story 171 00:07:25,730 --> 00:07:22,139 on on media down here talking about 172 00:07:29,990 --> 00:07:25,740 Canada which is a rare thing uh women 173 00:07:31,790 --> 00:07:30,000 protesting uh about Trudeau and taking 174 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:31,800 it to the streets 175 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:33,960 yeah that that's a big thing here it's 176 00:07:37,010 --> 00:07:35,520 like to 177 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:37,020 um you know fight the the government 178 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:40,080 where ours is more I can sort of get 179 00:07:44,809 --> 00:07:42,240 into the disclosure thing we had with um 180 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:44,819 Lou and and Chris when it all fell apart 181 00:07:50,089 --> 00:07:48,000 with the Canadians but we we have this 182 00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:50,099 um uh thing in Canada where the 183 00:07:54,830 --> 00:07:52,340 government is run by the Prime Minister 184 00:07:56,570 --> 00:07:54,840 whereas yours you have three branches of 185 00:07:58,430 --> 00:07:56,580 government and the the spending is done 186 00:08:00,650 --> 00:07:58,440 by the Congress and we could not get 187 00:08:02,029 --> 00:08:00,660 this through to Lou and to to Chris how 188 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:02,039 this thing operated where the president 189 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:04,020 just or the the Prime Minister just runs 190 00:08:09,710 --> 00:08:07,680 everything except in in terms of uh you 191 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:09,720 know oil everybody blamed him for the 192 00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:11,580 gas prices the same as you know in the 193 00:08:14,330 --> 00:08:13,139 states you've believed the president for 194 00:08:16,490 --> 00:08:14,340 and it's like well he's got nothing to 195 00:08:18,050 --> 00:08:16,500 do with the gas prices and and so the 196 00:08:19,909 --> 00:08:18,060 president or the vice the Prime Minister 197 00:08:21,770 --> 00:08:19,919 here takes a lot of flack and he's 198 00:08:23,809 --> 00:08:21,780 pretty flamboyant his father was the 199 00:08:27,050 --> 00:08:23,819 Prime Minister many years ago and very 200 00:08:28,550 --> 00:08:27,060 outspoken very flamboyant and you a lot 201 00:08:30,770 --> 00:08:28,560 of women like them because he was you 202 00:08:32,449 --> 00:08:30,780 know a very handsome type guy but a lot 203 00:08:33,889 --> 00:08:32,459 of people really don't don't like them 204 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:33,899 and we have this sort of divide there 205 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:35,520 whether you're you're former against 206 00:08:41,089 --> 00:08:37,620 them but uh he's in power for the next 207 00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:41,099 four years and uh people like to protest 208 00:08:44,089 --> 00:08:42,599 it the Canadians were never like that 209 00:08:45,710 --> 00:08:44,099 they were more like they just whatever 210 00:08:47,570 --> 00:08:45,720 happens happens now they're getting more 211 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:47,580 like Americans where they'll go to the 212 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:48,959 streets and they'll protest and stuff 213 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:50,040 like that that never really happened 214 00:08:53,630 --> 00:08:51,839 kind of we're sort of like famous for 215 00:08:57,530 --> 00:08:53,640 saying I'm sorry and stuff like that we 216 00:09:00,170 --> 00:08:57,540 just gotta take our place 217 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:00,180 and it's the same thing with UFOs though 218 00:09:07,370 --> 00:09:03,720 you know it it here 219 00:09:09,829 --> 00:09:07,380 um for some reason 220 00:09:11,810 --> 00:09:09,839 um there's a lot of reasons behind this 221 00:09:17,410 --> 00:09:11,820 it's not just one specific thing for 222 00:09:25,610 --> 00:09:21,650 the community we think UFOs an ET 223 00:09:27,350 --> 00:09:25,620 contact is an American thing and and 224 00:09:31,250 --> 00:09:27,360 when when another country has a 225 00:09:33,590 --> 00:09:31,260 photograph or an opinion or video we we 226 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:33,600 act surprised it's like wait a minute 227 00:09:41,449 --> 00:09:37,620 it's this is an earth thing it's not an 228 00:09:44,810 --> 00:09:41,459 American thing but most of the stories 229 00:09:47,090 --> 00:09:44,820 and the history and the lore around UFOs 230 00:09:48,949 --> 00:09:47,100 um started here uh you know have a 231 00:09:51,410 --> 00:09:48,959 progenator here in the United States 232 00:09:54,050 --> 00:09:51,420 yeah and you had you're famous like uh I 233 00:09:55,130 --> 00:09:54,060 used to make a joke like Area 51 is no 234 00:09:56,570 --> 00:09:55,140 one everywhere in the world and you 235 00:09:58,490 --> 00:09:56,580 could even go to China and they'd be 236 00:09:59,870 --> 00:09:58,500 talking and you say Area 51 and the 237 00:10:01,009 --> 00:09:59,880 Chinese wall you know even though they 238 00:10:03,410 --> 00:10:01,019 don't speak oh I know what that is you 239 00:10:05,329 --> 00:10:03,420 know air 51 and and stuff like that in 240 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:05,339 in Canada same thing people used to ask 241 00:10:09,829 --> 00:10:07,500 me uh the thing about well what's going 242 00:10:11,329 --> 00:10:09,839 on in Canada and I say I haven't got a I 243 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:11,339 haven't got the foggiest notion what's 244 00:10:14,210 --> 00:10:13,200 going on in Canada because the Canadians 245 00:10:16,670 --> 00:10:14,220 the government never talked about it 246 00:10:18,829 --> 00:10:16,680 nobody ever asked we don't have any UFO 247 00:10:21,230 --> 00:10:18,839 groups who have any conferences anything 248 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:21,240 like that and then I always took the the 249 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:22,920 the sort of the joke that I was the 250 00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:24,180 Canadian guy was doing the U.S 251 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:26,279 presidents that that that's the thing is 252 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:28,860 we sort of know the whole U.S uh history 253 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:31,260 of UFOs and the presidents and stuff 254 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:32,880 like that we know what's going on on 255 00:10:37,009 --> 00:10:34,920 American TV we're we're all plugged in 256 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:37,019 and fighting for various uh Republicans 257 00:10:40,730 --> 00:10:38,580 and Democrats and stuff like that even 258 00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:40,740 though we can't vote and that's the 259 00:10:45,889 --> 00:10:43,440 thing is we're so tied in uh that it is 260 00:10:47,870 --> 00:10:45,899 true I believe that around the world uh 261 00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:47,880 the American thing everybody seems to 262 00:10:51,889 --> 00:10:50,160 consider UFOs to be an American thing 263 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:51,899 except you get the odd one like the 264 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:54,180 Virginia case and stuff like that but 265 00:10:59,269 --> 00:10:56,760 other than that it's still an American 266 00:11:00,829 --> 00:10:59,279 phenomena it sort of dominates and maybe 267 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:00,839 that's because of the news the way they 268 00:11:04,670 --> 00:11:02,880 it's put out or the way it's publicized 269 00:11:05,810 --> 00:11:04,680 because even what you even get that in 270 00:11:08,569 --> 00:11:05,820 the United States you get a split 271 00:11:10,069 --> 00:11:08,579 between states for example uh on the 272 00:11:11,569 --> 00:11:10,079 East Coast I'm kind of glad they finally 273 00:11:13,610 --> 00:11:11,579 got a conference there where they're 274 00:11:15,710 --> 00:11:13,620 running this conference now which is is 275 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:15,720 pretty popular and they've got some big 276 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:17,519 name speakers but there was never any 277 00:11:21,410 --> 00:11:19,560 UFO conferences on the east coast of the 278 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:21,420 United States so maybe a little tiny 279 00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:24,180 tiny one whereas in California it was 280 00:11:28,430 --> 00:11:26,279 always like this is like like flake City 281 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:28,440 where like every every Town's got a 282 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:30,300 conference and all the big conferences 283 00:11:35,810 --> 00:11:33,720 like Consciousness life Expo and and you 284 00:11:38,389 --> 00:11:35,820 know all these conferences the big ones 285 00:11:39,889 --> 00:11:38,399 are in California and outside of there 286 00:11:41,930 --> 00:11:39,899 you really don't have that much and 287 00:11:44,329 --> 00:11:41,940 that's what the Canadian thing is the 288 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:44,339 mufon would run conferences I think they 289 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:46,800 ran two conferences here or one maybe 290 00:11:50,269 --> 00:11:48,600 one conference but other than that 291 00:11:52,190 --> 00:11:50,279 there's there's really no conferences in 292 00:11:54,290 --> 00:11:52,200 Canada there's no big UFO groups there's 293 00:11:56,569 --> 00:11:54,300 no uh and so when people ask me what's 294 00:11:58,430 --> 00:11:56,579 going on in Canada in terms of UFOs I 295 00:12:00,769 --> 00:11:58,440 said I haven't got a foggiest clue like 296 00:12:02,630 --> 00:12:00,779 when we were dealing with lu Elizondo 297 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:02,640 and Chris Mellon they were giving us 298 00:12:05,870 --> 00:12:04,680 this thing this you know they're doing a 299 00:12:07,610 --> 00:12:05,880 threat narrative so it's National 300 00:12:09,050 --> 00:12:07,620 Security in the United States and they 301 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:09,060 were saying well you gotta you follow 302 00:12:13,850 --> 00:12:11,040 our plan and they had the plan where you 303 00:12:16,190 --> 00:12:13,860 get the military people and you uh you 304 00:12:17,870 --> 00:12:16,200 get their cases and you say the UFOs are 305 00:12:19,490 --> 00:12:17,880 in your airspace and all sort of stuff 306 00:12:21,769 --> 00:12:19,500 and I said we're having cases like that 307 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:21,779 we can't do that I mean and and they 308 00:12:26,930 --> 00:12:23,040 said and they said well then you get it 309 00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:26,940 on your your Armed Forces uh 310 00:12:30,949 --> 00:12:29,519 um committee and then they they will 311 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:30,959 allocate money and we said well the 312 00:12:34,069 --> 00:12:32,880 committee can't allocate any money it's 313 00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:34,079 the Prime Minister runs the whole thing 314 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,519 the Committees can do whatever they want 315 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:37,440 but they they're not part of the it's 316 00:12:40,730 --> 00:12:39,120 not it's tied into the government they 317 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:40,740 have to ask the Prime Minister for money 318 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:42,420 so we were trying to explain this to 319 00:12:46,610 --> 00:12:43,860 them that we don't have any military 320 00:12:48,410 --> 00:12:46,620 cases we our military people aren't 321 00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:48,420 going to do anything and the Canadians 322 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:49,680 want to run this scientific 323 00:12:55,250 --> 00:12:53,220 investigation and uh that Chris and not 324 00:12:56,389 --> 00:12:55,260 so much Lou but Chris wouldn't have 325 00:12:57,530 --> 00:12:56,399 anything to do with that it was like no 326 00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:57,540 no you can't do it that way and we're 327 00:13:02,509 --> 00:12:59,279 saying and the the Canadians who wanted 328 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:02,519 to we had 10 almost 10 MPS that were 329 00:13:06,170 --> 00:13:04,620 ready to out themselves and jump on 330 00:13:08,030 --> 00:13:06,180 board and say yeah we want this thing 331 00:13:09,530 --> 00:13:08,040 investigated and the way it was going to 332 00:13:12,110 --> 00:13:09,540 work in the Canadians we don't have any 333 00:13:13,970 --> 00:13:12,120 military thing where we can you know use 334 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,980 the military and so what they were going 335 00:13:17,569 --> 00:13:15,600 to do is they're going to have a woman 336 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:17,579 in the prime minister's office who 337 00:13:21,769 --> 00:13:19,680 actually has come forward now and she 338 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,779 was gonna she's like a science advisor 339 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:23,760 to the prime minister so she wanted to 340 00:13:26,410 --> 00:13:25,560 cover and we were going to provide her 341 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:26,420 cover 342 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:29,519 for her coming out and saying we need to 343 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:32,040 investigate UFOs but scientifically and 344 00:13:34,910 --> 00:13:33,480 what happened is when Chris Mill and 345 00:13:37,129 --> 00:13:34,920 heard that he said that's the poison 346 00:13:38,030 --> 00:13:37,139 pill I'm gone I'm out of here and he did 347 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:38,040 he didn't want a scientific 348 00:13:40,850 --> 00:13:39,300 investigation he wanted this military 349 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:40,860 thing where we were going to do this 350 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:42,120 military I think we said we said we 351 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:43,740 already military Witnesses the military 352 00:13:47,150 --> 00:13:45,300 committees can't do anything we just 353 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:47,160 couldn't get it across to them and so 354 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:48,720 they shut down the the whole thing and 355 00:13:54,829 --> 00:13:52,500 these 10 guys uh basically uh uh are now 356 00:13:56,810 --> 00:13:54,839 still in the in the in the closet as to 357 00:13:58,250 --> 00:13:56,820 who they are and their interest in UFOs 358 00:14:00,170 --> 00:13:58,260 and it comes from all three parties it's 359 00:14:01,430 --> 00:14:00,180 not just one party but they wanted to 360 00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:01,440 come forward and that's the difference 361 00:14:04,970 --> 00:14:03,060 in Candace Canada wanted to do a 362 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:04,980 scientific investigation they really we 363 00:14:08,090 --> 00:14:06,720 don't have a big military we sort of 364 00:14:10,129 --> 00:14:08,100 hand it off to the Americans we don't 365 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,139 have any nuclear weapons we say you know 366 00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:12,959 we we give our money to Nato and the 367 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:14,639 Americans will provide the things and 368 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:17,700 and we have our we buy build F-35 jet 369 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:20,160 fighters for uh lucky and and 370 00:14:23,810 --> 00:14:22,079 everybody's happy and we buy our jet 371 00:14:25,069 --> 00:14:23,820 fighters we buy stuff off from the 372 00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:25,079 Americans and stuff like that but we 373 00:14:28,610 --> 00:14:26,519 really don't control anything the 374 00:14:30,350 --> 00:14:28,620 American Military still calls the shot 375 00:14:32,629 --> 00:14:30,360 we're sort of like uh we just take 376 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:32,639 orders from from them but this whole 377 00:14:37,970 --> 00:14:35,040 deal with the the the uh we realized 378 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:37,980 this idea that it was in the U.S this um 379 00:14:42,530 --> 00:14:40,560 whole disclosure thing is based upon 380 00:14:44,389 --> 00:14:42,540 this military thing the threat to 381 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:44,399 National Security and stuff like that in 382 00:14:47,689 --> 00:14:45,720 Canada we go like threat to National 383 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:47,699 Security like I mean what what the heck 384 00:14:51,410 --> 00:14:49,320 what's up what's the score in the hockey 385 00:14:53,569 --> 00:14:51,420 game like nobody cares like you couldn't 386 00:14:54,650 --> 00:14:53,579 care less and and it's like sometimes 387 00:14:55,730 --> 00:14:54,660 you get in the United States where 388 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:55,740 people you can talk to them and they're 389 00:14:59,449 --> 00:14:57,540 not they don't know about UFOs in Canada 390 00:15:01,490 --> 00:14:59,459 that's way worse I mean that people 391 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:01,500 really don't care at all it's it's not a 392 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:06,959 major issue here uh was if you wanted to 393 00:15:12,290 --> 00:15:10,800 um get access to what the Canadian 394 00:15:16,490 --> 00:15:12,300 military 395 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:16,500 um has you know not only uh investigated 396 00:15:20,689 --> 00:15:18,720 but different occurrences or different 397 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:20,699 how would you go about it 398 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:22,079 well that's the thing you'd have to 399 00:15:25,730 --> 00:15:23,760 you'd have to get there I mean I filed 400 00:15:28,610 --> 00:15:25,740 with them I when when the 401 00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:28,620 um when he um to the stars came forward 402 00:15:33,769 --> 00:15:32,160 I went to them and I I requested their 403 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:33,779 documents and they sent back oh no it 404 00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:36,060 was it was the CBC went to them the CBC 405 00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:37,440 that came broadcasting which is the 406 00:15:42,050 --> 00:15:39,959 government radio TV station went to them 407 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:42,060 and asked them what about UFOs and they 408 00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:43,560 sent back this thing they had a billy 409 00:15:48,889 --> 00:15:46,320 Meyer photograph and it said on there we 410 00:15:50,509 --> 00:15:48,899 we only investigate things we this is 411 00:15:52,129 --> 00:15:50,519 not a threat to National Security and we 412 00:15:53,810 --> 00:15:52,139 only investigate things that are serious 413 00:15:55,850 --> 00:15:53,820 or something like that they just totally 414 00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:55,860 distant solving so when I went after 415 00:16:00,110 --> 00:15:58,019 them with my foa and I said well did you 416 00:16:02,329 --> 00:16:00,120 pay for rights to Billy Myers photograph 417 00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:02,339 and we tried to get into that thing but 418 00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:04,380 they just say it's not a threat to 419 00:16:07,129 --> 00:16:05,760 National Security and I think they 420 00:16:08,810 --> 00:16:07,139 actually believe it's not a threat to 421 00:16:11,449 --> 00:16:08,820 National Security we don't need to worry 422 00:16:13,370 --> 00:16:11,459 about this uh we're we're you know sort 423 00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:13,380 of more worried about uh the what the 424 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:15,060 what Putin is doing and stuff like that 425 00:16:19,970 --> 00:16:18,180 and we we do our NATO thing and we we 426 00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:19,980 used to be peacekeepers now we're more 427 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:22,440 we just do whatever the Americans do so 428 00:16:26,689 --> 00:16:24,240 we buy like for example I used to say 429 00:16:27,949 --> 00:16:26,699 like why are we buying F-35 jet fighters 430 00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:27,959 they're strike Fighters like what the 431 00:16:32,569 --> 00:16:30,180 hell we buy strike Fighters for that's 432 00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:32,579 that's a an offensive weapon and the 433 00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:33,839 Canadians have never been known for 434 00:16:38,449 --> 00:16:36,120 offensive uh stuff we're always like the 435 00:16:39,949 --> 00:16:38,459 the peacekeepers and we'll get in at the 436 00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:39,959 end but it's sort of changed that we're 437 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:41,880 just sort of an arm of the US military I 438 00:16:46,670 --> 00:16:45,120 think in terms of of what we do and uh 439 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:46,680 that same thing happens I think with the 440 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:50,040 with the the UFOs I have one case and 441 00:16:54,050 --> 00:16:52,680 that's from a NORAD officer who I 442 00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,060 interviewed and he's now dead he's been 443 00:16:59,930 --> 00:16:56,880 dead about two years but this is a 1959 444 00:17:02,749 --> 00:16:59,940 case out of Comox the Air Force Base uh 445 00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:02,759 on the west coast of Canada and he was 446 00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,160 the officer on duty when he came in and 447 00:17:09,530 --> 00:17:07,199 the guy before him said just a UFO at 448 00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:09,540 two miles off the end of the runway and 449 00:17:12,289 --> 00:17:11,100 he said well what'd you do he said I 450 00:17:14,689 --> 00:17:12,299 didn't do anything I was waiting for you 451 00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,699 to come in and so he looks and then he 452 00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,799 scrambles the Jets and they move off 453 00:17:21,049 --> 00:17:18,959 onto the Pacific Ocean and then they 454 00:17:22,610 --> 00:17:21,059 they target them in again and they go 455 00:17:24,289 --> 00:17:22,620 there and then he said this whole deal 456 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:24,299 where they went like 50 miles in a 457 00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,640 couple of seconds and this was 1959 458 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,559 that's the only case I've got where this 459 00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:30,480 guy's describing how the government came 460 00:17:35,870 --> 00:17:33,540 to him or his his Superior at the um 461 00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,880 Nora NORAD really didn't get involved 462 00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:37,919 but the the Air Force came in and they 463 00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:42,059 said you know uh Stan uh the airport the 464 00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:45,120 mil the uh media is asking us and we 465 00:17:48,529 --> 00:17:46,500 both know that nothing really happened 466 00:17:50,510 --> 00:17:48,539 last night you understand and he said 467 00:17:51,890 --> 00:17:50,520 yes sir I understand so he knew do you 468 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:51,900 not going to talk about it and it just 469 00:17:56,029 --> 00:17:54,000 faded away and then years later we found 470 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:56,039 out that he had this and he's basically 471 00:17:59,210 --> 00:17:57,600 sat down on camera and told us this 472 00:18:01,010 --> 00:17:59,220 whole story that's the only case I've 473 00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:01,020 got we really don't have the the thing 474 00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,640 with the Nimitz and stuff which makes 475 00:18:07,789 --> 00:18:05,039 you sort of wonder whether that's part 476 00:18:09,529 --> 00:18:07,799 of the UFO thing where the UFOs are 477 00:18:11,330 --> 00:18:09,539 interested in the US military where 478 00:18:13,310 --> 00:18:11,340 they're playing these games with like 479 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:13,320 even Lu Elizondo talked about the Nimitz 480 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,260 that there was more nuclear Firepower on 481 00:18:20,270 --> 00:18:18,240 the Nimitz Care on the the Nimitz 482 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:20,280 carrier group with all the ships and 483 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:22,260 this submarines and stuff than there was 484 00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:24,240 in the state of New York and you hear 485 00:18:27,409 --> 00:18:26,100 that kind of stuff and you realize that 486 00:18:29,810 --> 00:18:27,419 maybe that's what they're doing is the 487 00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:29,820 the intelligence is playing games with 488 00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:31,799 the US Military and so you have these 489 00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:34,380 cases of you know orbs coming really 490 00:18:38,690 --> 00:18:37,020 close to planes and uh these UFOs 491 00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:38,700 sitting there for a week waiting for the 492 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:41,400 Nimitz to to track them and that they're 493 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:42,960 playing these games whereas the Canadian 494 00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:45,600 military uh I think it's just an arm of 495 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:48,240 the U.S military and there's absolutely 496 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:50,100 nothing that come that comes out of 497 00:18:55,070 --> 00:18:51,960 never I've never heard anything and I'm 498 00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:55,080 pretty pretty uh tapped in I I got the 499 00:18:59,690 --> 00:18:56,640 the Canadian 500 00:19:02,090 --> 00:18:59,700 Department of Transport my father used 501 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:02,100 to work for I filed and after about 502 00:19:06,529 --> 00:19:04,140 three pages of soft reading it was just 503 00:19:09,049 --> 00:19:06,539 these things like so and so reported an 504 00:19:10,730 --> 00:19:09,059 object and uh that then it goes to the 505 00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:10,740 next sighting and it was like there's 506 00:19:13,789 --> 00:19:11,940 three lights and they looked at the 507 00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:13,799 three lights next object and it was that 508 00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:16,500 kind of thing for 160 pages so they'll 509 00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:17,880 release that kind of stuff but there's 510 00:19:21,529 --> 00:19:19,860 really nothing in there that's of 511 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:21,539 military significant against well we had 512 00:19:26,029 --> 00:19:23,820 an engagement we we sometimes they'll 513 00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,039 scramble Jets and they'll the the one 514 00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:27,840 report they scrambled Jets and it was a 515 00:19:31,789 --> 00:19:29,580 balloon or something like that so it's 516 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:31,799 when you get these reports they'll sort 517 00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,200 of give you the reports uh but there's 518 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:36,000 basically nothing that you could go on 519 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:38,280 and that's what that's what Lou and and 520 00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:40,740 Chris want us to do was to get this 521 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,080 military aspect where we're we're under 522 00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:45,360 threat that at the Canadian airspace and 523 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:46,980 we I we just said we don't have any 524 00:19:51,529 --> 00:19:48,840 military cases we can't go that route 525 00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,539 there's no there's nobody to talk to and 526 00:19:54,350 --> 00:19:53,039 it and then you got to talk to them and 527 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,360 then you gotta get them to out 528 00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:56,640 themselves like the the you guys on the 529 00:20:00,289 --> 00:19:58,200 Nimitz did it took them years to out 530 00:20:01,669 --> 00:20:00,299 themselves and I said we just we just 531 00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:01,679 don't have anything and it sort of 532 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:03,179 surprised me when people say to me well 533 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:04,500 they say well what's going on in Canada 534 00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,299 and I said I I worked on this for like 535 00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:08,880 like uh 50 years and I haven't got a 536 00:20:13,210 --> 00:20:10,500 clue I know what happened in the early 537 00:20:16,909 --> 00:20:13,220 1950s but right now I have no clue 538 00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:16,919 what about shag Harbor 539 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:19,080 well that was big at the time but you 540 00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:19,980 got to remember I mean how many 541 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,240 investigators do you have you have the 542 00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:23,280 Shag Harbor we have Chris rockowski we 543 00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:26,580 have myself there's really not that many 544 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:30,900 um uh uh uh cases or investigators we 545 00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:32,820 have the big one here in Manitoba which 546 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:35,400 was the the Falcon Lake case where the 547 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,080 the guy touched the thing the door 548 00:20:42,350 --> 00:20:40,080 opened up and he got burned and uh we 549 00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:42,360 were actually on the site last year and 550 00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:44,160 I actually grabbed some rocks which I'm 551 00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:47,520 I'm I I show off to people from the 552 00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:50,220 actual uh the surface of this where this 553 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:52,020 UFO was standing and I said here's a 554 00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:53,220 piece of the rock I'll give it to people 555 00:20:57,289 --> 00:20:55,500 from for like a souvenir and say hey 556 00:20:58,909 --> 00:20:57,299 here's a piece of the rock the UFO may 557 00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,919 have actually the foot may have actually 558 00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:00,720 been right on that rock that you're 559 00:21:03,890 --> 00:21:02,160 you're doing because all the Shale was 560 00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:03,900 breaking off the top of this this rock 561 00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:05,100 where this thing was sitting and I 562 00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,140 started I picked up all these pieces so 563 00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:09,840 that was a big case in 67 then the guy 564 00:21:13,789 --> 00:21:11,940 died there was a book published but the 565 00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:13,799 Canadians just don't see it they seems 566 00:21:18,049 --> 00:21:15,720 to die well all the UFO stories sort of 567 00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:18,059 die off is the story is big and so you 568 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:19,500 know how Facebook works yeah you put it 569 00:21:22,909 --> 00:21:21,240 on Facebook and you get like a pile of 570 00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:22,919 hits in the first hour and then half 571 00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:24,360 that in the second hour and by the third 572 00:21:27,169 --> 00:21:25,620 hour everybody's on their Facebook 573 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,179 they're just going through Facebook they 574 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:30,000 got 17 second attention span they're on 575 00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,760 to the next story it's 24 7 News no 576 00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:35,039 story hangs on long enough for you to 577 00:21:38,090 --> 00:21:36,120 actually investigate it because 578 00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:38,100 everybody's always and looking for that 579 00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:39,659 story and that's the serious problem I 580 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,400 think we have in the UFO Community is 581 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:43,200 that everybody's always thinks that the 582 00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,520 next story is the one that's going to 583 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,320 break it and that's why we get caught in 584 00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,000 so many hoaxes because somebody will say 585 00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:49,919 oh breaking news we got this video and 586 00:21:53,810 --> 00:21:51,240 everybody jumps on the video and then 587 00:21:55,310 --> 00:21:53,820 after one hour or a day someone says oh 588 00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,320 it was a hoax there he goes okay and 589 00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:56,880 we're off and we're waiting for the next 590 00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:59,460 story to break and P we're so easy to 591 00:22:02,330 --> 00:22:01,020 set up because everybody thinks this is 592 00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,340 the next story rather than taking the 593 00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,080 pieces we've got talking to the people 594 00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:05,760 who got taken the evidence we got and 595 00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:07,140 figuring what's going on from what we've 596 00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:08,280 got we always think it's going to be 597 00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:09,720 something down the road something's 598 00:22:12,590 --> 00:22:11,159 going to break something there's going 599 00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:12,600 to be a crash we're going to get it and 600 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:14,340 that's why we fall for so many hoaxes I 601 00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:18,480 think yeah and and uh going back to Shag 602 00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,480 Harbor uh for just a second yeah it it 603 00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:24,840 kind of reflects uh somewhat with the 604 00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,299 points that you were just making that 605 00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,720 there was a United States Air Force 606 00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:33,360 presence almost immediately and there 607 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,360 were reports about the United States uh 608 00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:38,640 being brought in 609 00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:41,100 um and and that that whole thing that 610 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,360 investigation may have gone from uh you 611 00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:47,760 know the mounties right and and handed 612 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,520 over uh to the United States and there 613 00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:52,080 was a lot of reports to that effect 614 00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:54,659 weren't there yeah and and you had the 615 00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,340 object but there was no object ever 616 00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:58,799 recovered and they play the game well 617 00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:00,299 all the governments play the same game 618 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,820 is you just wait them out and eventually 619 00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,620 everybody will sort of forget about it 620 00:23:09,169 --> 00:23:06,240 and go on to another story like you even 621 00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:09,179 have the uh hit the political example 622 00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:11,220 but you have the the the January six 623 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,020 things so they say oh the president the 624 00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:14,880 White was Dave files for the president 625 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,860 oh there's six hours missing on January 626 00:23:21,049 --> 00:23:18,840 the 6th oh the Secret Service files are 627 00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:21,059 missing all the files from the heads of 628 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,740 the defense department are missing and 629 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:24,240 and then it goes and it's a big story 630 00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,380 and everybody talks about it for two 631 00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:26,640 days I mean who's talked about that 632 00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,140 story recently it's just it's sort of 633 00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,240 like you just realize that you can do 634 00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:32,039 this you can do what you what you do 635 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:34,140 keep your mouth shut and eventually 636 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:35,820 people will go in on to another story 637 00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,020 and that's what happens that's what 638 00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:38,400 happened to Shag Harbor that's what 639 00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,620 happened to any of the big cases in 640 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,240 Canada they were sort of big for a 641 00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:44,400 little while but you need to put a lot 642 00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:47,100 of pressure as a researcher on a case to 643 00:23:51,649 --> 00:23:50,220 keep the thing active uh otherwise it 644 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:51,659 just Fades away and everybody goes on to 645 00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:53,100 something else and your cat is really 646 00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:55,860 bad because everybody's on to hockey and 647 00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:58,740 and the weather and stuff like that it's 648 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,780 it's and I would say even the UFO issue 649 00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:03,600 even in uh and and bring this up in 650 00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,059 terms of disclosure Eric Walker we we 651 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:08,400 dealt with this Eric Walker guy who was 652 00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:09,659 the president of Penn State University 653 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:11,580 he was on the defense science board he 654 00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:13,620 was one of the guys that started uh 655 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:16,260 DARPA the Js sends he was on The 656 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,700 Institute for defense analysis the 657 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:19,440 biggest military Think Tank he was 658 00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,760 President Penn State University at 14 659 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,860 honorary doctor degrees Kate green went 660 00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,140 to see him and and we were asking him 661 00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:26,640 like well you know you're an old man 662 00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:29,640 release it and then he said he said why 663 00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:32,520 he said admit it why do you want it it's 664 00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:34,140 just curiosity right you're just curious 665 00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,400 you're just curious you want to know 666 00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,679 that right right admit it and then he 667 00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:39,840 said why should we change the rules to 668 00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:42,419 satisfy your curiosity and then Bush was 669 00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:43,620 told you remember this story Bush 670 00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,860 supposedly told Jimmy Carter curiosity 671 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:48,780 is not sufficient need to know just 672 00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:49,980 because you're curious doesn't mean 673 00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:51,960 we're going to go up the the UFO files 674 00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:53,640 and the the classified files and stuff 675 00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,320 like that and so they they just play 676 00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:57,720 this game where people will they wait 677 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,120 people out they they'll uh you know play 678 00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:03,000 these little games of making stuff uh 679 00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:04,860 you know hard to get at and eventually 680 00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,419 people will just sort of walk away and 681 00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,280 go on to the next story and then that's 682 00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:09,960 the way the cover-up has sort of been 683 00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:13,020 enabled and allowed to work for so many 684 00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:16,500 years successfully is that you need a 685 00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,620 lot of a lot of people a lot of energy 686 00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:21,720 to keep a story going to get the 687 00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:25,080 pressure on the government we 688 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:28,740 um we have gotten so the United States 689 00:25:33,250 --> 00:25:31,260 for sure but the rest of the world is 690 00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:33,260 we've gotten so acclimated to this 691 00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,840 60-second news cycle it's not 24 I 692 00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:38,220 remember when they used to call you 693 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:41,580 remember that 24-hour news cycle now 694 00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,120 it's just seconds if we went through and 695 00:25:48,529 --> 00:25:46,559 I don't want to kick a dead horse here 696 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:48,539 I've done it so much on on Fade to Black 697 00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,520 over the years trying to you know get 698 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:52,980 people aware to this 699 00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:56,400 um is that if we went over the last 700 00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,340 seven days just the last seven days 701 00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,279 Grant from you and I talking right now 702 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:04,320 the last seven days those would have 703 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:06,659 been the biggest headlines of the 704 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:08,120 century 705 00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:12,480 right but now that the news cycle the 706 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:15,779 way that it lays down it is so big and 707 00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:19,020 so so utterly unbelievable the next day 708 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,779 and then it forces you 709 00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:24,720 to have amnesia you don't remember the 710 00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:27,179 news from two days ago yeah you know I 711 00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,860 challenge people all the time do you do 712 00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:30,720 you realize what just happened two days 713 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:35,940 ago and if oh yeah that's right yeah and 714 00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:40,440 and this is where the UFO part of all of 715 00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,140 this and contacting ETS 716 00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:45,419 um gets lost in the mix and you can bury 717 00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,100 anything that you want to get buried 718 00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,679 today it's easy to do especially with an 719 00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,960 issue because I say that I I haven't 720 00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,279 seen that I've always tried to find the 721 00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:55,799 poll but I would guarantee that UFOs if 722 00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:58,140 you ask people on the street what's your 723 00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,940 top hundred issues I bet you UFOs 724 00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:01,620 wouldn't be in it people it's just not 725 00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,000 on their mind it's not a bread and 726 00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:05,279 butter issue if it was like the economy 727 00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:08,279 or losing jobs or you know the price of 728 00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:09,720 your house then people would get into it 729 00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:11,700 but it's it's what Walker said why 730 00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:13,440 should we change the rules to satisfy 731 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:15,480 your curiosity or kick green went in to 732 00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:16,980 see him if you know the story kit green 733 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,779 is told Jacques ballet they told me the 734 00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:20,400 story when it happened because it was 735 00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:21,720 basically Bill Moore sent him in that 736 00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,580 for me they said oh I don't believe 737 00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:25,380 Walker's as powerful as you say but I'm 738 00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:27,299 sending I'm sending BJ in there who's 739 00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:30,059 the Blue Jay was kit green and kid green 740 00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,740 goes in there and it both worked on 741 00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:34,020 gloomar Explorer CIA so they're talking 742 00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:35,580 about glomar Explorer and it was all 743 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,400 going great and then uh uh kid green 744 00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,320 says I've got a I've got a clearance to 745 00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:42,720 talk to you about UFOs and I'd like to 746 00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:45,179 know you know the whole deal with UFOs 747 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,100 and and Walker is according to Kate 748 00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:48,960 green says Walker said to him give me 749 00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,460 two reasons why I should tell you what's 750 00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,559 going on and then kid green he says 751 00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:53,760 apparently I didn't give the right 752 00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:55,500 reasons because he basically threw him 753 00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,419 out of the office and and it was and it 754 00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:59,760 was this kind of thing where they they a 755 00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,080 little stand their ground and they'll 756 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,880 say the people don't have a right to 757 00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:04,740 know this this is National Security I 758 00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:05,940 was even just listening to an interview 759 00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:08,460 by by Jim semivan he said there's 760 00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,380 absolutely no way they're going to 761 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,000 release anything significant to you 762 00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,919 because this has turned into a national 763 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:16,080 security issue it could be a threat to 764 00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:17,940 National Security and it's being run by 765 00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:19,380 the military now so they're going to 766 00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:20,580 tell you how many sightings there was 767 00:28:23,390 --> 00:28:22,440 but basically I other than that they're 768 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,400 not going to tell you anything because 769 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,960 they're not good they're going to make 770 00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,460 it as a thing where we don't want to 771 00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:28,620 give it to some crazy guy in Iran who 772 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:30,900 who's got a PhD and he's going to 773 00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,520 develop a weapon which is going to kill 774 00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:34,799 us if we put that out there's a bunch of 775 00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,600 crazy people it's a it's a scary world 776 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,880 that's what get that Sim events is it's 777 00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:40,440 a real scary world you got to realize 778 00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:42,299 this that we're up against these people 779 00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:43,860 and we are not going to give them our 780 00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:46,500 secrets and and so he said clearly that 781 00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:48,120 you are not going to learn what's going 782 00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,400 on here in terms of they're not going to 783 00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:52,980 set up a um an investigation on the 784 00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,140 philosophical implications of UFOs they 785 00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,640 don't care they're only interested in 786 00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:58,320 the National Security aspect of this 787 00:29:00,890 --> 00:28:59,700 story and that's what they're going to 788 00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:00,900 work on that's what the money's going to 789 00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,700 be spent on and they are going to give 790 00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,080 it to the public because it's National 791 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:06,480 Security even I've made a joke where you 792 00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:07,799 know we complained about the blue book 793 00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:09,659 so he said blue book was terrible I mean 794 00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,640 it was just a scam and uh how could they 795 00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:13,200 and now we've got something real and 796 00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:14,520 what are they doing now you say to them 797 00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,779 okay what have you gotten they said 798 00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:18,720 we've got 144 cases one was one we've 799 00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:20,520 unidentified and then you say can you 800 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,380 tell us the shapes can't other shapes 801 00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:23,760 that's classified can you see the 802 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,620 reports nope the reports are classified 803 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:27,480 so in Blue Book we had the reports and 804 00:29:30,889 --> 00:29:29,220 we had the shapes of the object we don't 805 00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,899 even have that anymore we just got how 806 00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,399 many cases there was and how many they 807 00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:34,200 identified and that you people don't 808 00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:36,539 have to realize that this is this is 809 00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,179 they're waiting for sort of the Messiah 810 00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,799 to come and give them all the answers 811 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,960 and stuff like that and it is According 812 00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:44,640 to Jim semivan who I think is the most 813 00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,919 respected guy that I listen to Jim send 814 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:48,779 me events that ain't gonna happen and 815 00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:50,580 and he said I'd like it to happen but 816 00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:53,580 you got to realize the the the mentality 817 00:29:58,510 --> 00:29:55,559 of these people who are now controlling 818 00:30:04,310 --> 00:29:58,520 the narrative here 819 00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:04,320 why the delay of the the expected well 820 00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:07,799 UFO report why why why this delay was it 821 00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:12,299 was it was due mandated October 31st 822 00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,500 Halloween Monday and we are now uh 823 00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,299 closing in halfway through December and 824 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,399 Christmas is coming up why the delay 825 00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:23,039 okay my just this is just my take is is 826 00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:25,260 the is the game that they they realized 827 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:26,940 there was the election so the election 828 00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:29,880 sort of went both ways so there's a sort 829 00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:31,380 of a deadlock you've got a sort of a 830 00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:33,240 dead government it's like a lame duck 831 00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:34,980 government because the the one party's 832 00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:36,299 blocking this and the other part you 833 00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,320 know it's this idea where it's 50 50 and 834 00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:43,919 so you have you have people inside who 835 00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:45,720 are fighting this they do not want this 836 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,940 out and it's the same idea of the Secret 837 00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:50,100 Service records They say 838 00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:52,380 challenge us we're going to delay it 839 00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:54,179 right and you delay the thing and you 840 00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:55,500 say they're not going to do anything and 841 00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:57,000 that's what I would agree Chris Mellon 842 00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:00,360 has actually said he sees no no 843 00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,179 um uh stuff scheduled for the for the 844 00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,000 near future in terms of hearings and and 845 00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,640 and these kind of things for Witnesses 846 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,620 and that's the thing you have the the 847 00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:13,140 people that are that are trying to block 848 00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:15,539 it realize that there's this blockade in 849 00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:16,679 government that you can't get enough 850 00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,779 support you haven't got nobody's gonna 851 00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:20,640 be able to push this thing through and 852 00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:22,620 and everybody's gonna be an interest in 853 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,179 investigating all sorts of other things 854 00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:25,440 they're not really interested in 855 00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,659 investigating UFOs and so you're playing 856 00:31:32,049 --> 00:31:29,340 this game and it indicates that the 857 00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:32,059 powers that be are saying challenge us 858 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:35,340 make us release this report and you if 859 00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:37,260 it was going along great and everybody 860 00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:39,659 was hunky-dory on there on the report it 861 00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:40,919 would have come out on time this 862 00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:43,080 indicates that there's Powers there that 863 00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:45,059 are delaying this report and are saying 864 00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,260 we're just not going to play the game 865 00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:48,299 Force us to play the game and I think 866 00:31:51,769 --> 00:31:49,679 with this the government for the next 867 00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,779 two years the United States I don't see 868 00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,940 really much happening at all because the 869 00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:55,500 government is sort of deadlocked on 870 00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:57,179 anything you can't you can't get the 871 00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,860 government to decide what bathroom to go 872 00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,140 to it's I mean it's total deadlocked now 873 00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:04,080 in terms of the the one or running the 874 00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:06,059 house one running the Senate one in the 875 00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:07,860 the White House that is very hard to get 876 00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,539 anything done you need you need all 877 00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:11,039 these people to agree and nobody's 878 00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:12,659 agreeing on anything 879 00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:15,059 do you 880 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,980 before the first of the year 881 00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:22,320 uh you know we've the new Congress is 882 00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:24,179 going to come in on the 15th of January 883 00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:26,360 uh the new house 884 00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:30,539 and that's certainly points back to what 885 00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:33,480 you're referring to right now so would 886 00:32:41,149 --> 00:32:36,600 it be better to get the report out now 887 00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,159 I'm talking about for the odni or to to 888 00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:43,440 back off on this and until the new 889 00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:45,059 Congress comes in which wouldn't make a 890 00:32:48,409 --> 00:32:46,919 whole lot of sense well I think it's 891 00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,419 going to be weaker once a new Congress 892 00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,240 comes in I actually challenged uh Schiff 893 00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,179 uh head of the intelligence for the 894 00:33:00,169 --> 00:32:56,760 senate or for the house and I said to 895 00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:00,179 him I said in order was it 43 days 896 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,919 they are going to kick you out they've 897 00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,600 already said we're pulling them off all 898 00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,700 the Committees we're going to pay them 899 00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,980 back for doing the the January 6th thing 900 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,840 and I said you're dead in the water man 901 00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:11,760 why don't you just you want to know what 902 00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,039 UFOs are you say you're serious drop it 903 00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:16,799 in their lap right before you go and say 904 00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:18,299 here's something you can investigate you 905 00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:19,799 want to investigate Biden's files you 906 00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,419 want to investigate this air investigate 907 00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,279 this and drop it at the last second I 908 00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,480 don't think shift's going to do it if I 909 00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,460 would shift and I knew that they were 910 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:28,080 going to hang me and I'm not going to do 911 00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:29,700 anything except stand there and twiddle 912 00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:31,140 my thumbs for the next few years I would 913 00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:32,820 drop it in their lap and say you want to 914 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:35,100 investigate here hand it hand it to them 915 00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:37,320 where they have to deal with it right at 916 00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,000 the last minute I don't think and I 917 00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,039 challenge shift on Twitter I was push 918 00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:43,980 pushing it and making jokes every day on 919 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:45,240 his Twitter and stuff like that I don't 920 00:33:48,669 --> 00:33:46,320 think he's going to do it I don't know 921 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:48,679 why they wouldn't do it to me they they 922 00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,080 once the the new house comes in it's to 923 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,659 me it's really dead in the water but uh 924 00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,880 it's up to the Democrats if they're 925 00:34:00,649 --> 00:33:58,679 seriously interested in doing this thing 926 00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:00,659 that they can drop this thing they can 927 00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:03,240 they can give it to the house and and 928 00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:05,100 they've got to deal with it 929 00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:08,879 that's that's the question that I have 930 00:34:13,690 --> 00:34:11,700 um where we are closing in I there's a 931 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:13,700 lot of action that has to happen before 932 00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:16,940 uh New Year's Eve before December 31st 933 00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:20,520 and one of those things you know for me 934 00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:23,820 that is important is this UFO report but 935 00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:27,839 I don't know uh the vibe of uh Capitol 936 00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:30,659 Hill right now where it seemed last year 937 00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,460 and the year before that there was a lot 938 00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:34,500 of action a lot of talk and now it just 939 00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:37,560 seems to be uh you know the subject is 940 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,000 getting ghosted 941 00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:42,000 yeah yeah and and again it comes down to 942 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:43,020 what are you going to get when you get 943 00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:44,520 the report because it was the rumors was 944 00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:47,220 like 350 reports and half of them had 945 00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:48,839 been identified or something or so half 946 00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:50,280 of them are unknowns and it's gonna be 947 00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:51,899 the same thing you got 350 reports and 948 00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:53,580 half are unknowns that's it that's your 949 00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,379 report and and nobody's going to go look 950 00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:56,639 well where's the stuff and it's like 951 00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:58,440 again it's National Security anything 952 00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:59,820 outside the numbers is going to be 953 00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:01,619 National Security it's going to be well 954 00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,420 we don't want to tell you uh where the 955 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:05,640 bases are or or what the you know what 956 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:07,080 we've discovered or what we think or 957 00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:08,400 whatever this is all going to be 958 00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:10,380 National Security it's it's and that's 959 00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,140 the the sad part is that uh it's easier 960 00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:15,839 to make stuff classified and then force 961 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,400 people to force it out into the open 962 00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,160 that if you're in the National Security 963 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,740 State I call it the national insecurity 964 00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:24,660 state it basically you're looking for an 965 00:35:28,010 --> 00:35:26,220 enemy it's like you know the footprints 966 00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:28,020 in the living room oh these UFOs could 967 00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:30,060 be a threat your Footprints in your 968 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,380 living room and this sort of thing where 969 00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:33,599 you're always looking for an enemy and 970 00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:34,859 if you're always looking for an enemy 971 00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,940 you're going to play the thing you're 972 00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:37,200 going to play it safe you're not going 973 00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:38,579 to put it out there because you're going 974 00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:40,140 to figure that the Russians are going to 975 00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,339 pick it up and the Chinese are going to 976 00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,040 pick it up and it's always going to be 977 00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:45,839 as I said when I was doing the 978 00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:48,540 investigation back in the 1990s that 979 00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:51,300 your highest level security stuff the 980 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,339 top secret coded stuff is all weapons 981 00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:55,440 and this is weapons this is trying to 982 00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,700 figure out how does this propulsive 983 00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:58,440 system work how can we use it how can 984 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,540 you put Bulls inside trailers all this 985 00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,460 weird paranormal stuff because we want 986 00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:04,079 to get this if the Russians get this 987 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,180 stuff if they're able to do telekinesis 988 00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:09,119 and move stuff around and I even refer 989 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,859 I've got a book called A ports of 990 00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:12,480 manifestations coming out called weird 991 00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:16,260 and and I I even quote a 1974. this is a 992 00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:18,839 74 document from the DIA talking about 993 00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:21,300 app ports where things were in the 994 00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:22,740 Paranormal phenomena where stuff moves 995 00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:25,079 around in a house and and experiences 996 00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:26,339 experience this all the time where 997 00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:28,020 stuff's moving around disappears and 998 00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:29,700 then reappears to two weeks later and 999 00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:31,740 stuff like that and Hell put off 1000 00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,960 actually had it in his lab in the 1970s 1001 00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:35,640 where this stuff was falling out of the 1002 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,220 ceiling and stuff like that the 1974 Dia 1003 00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:40,320 said if we can develop this technology 1004 00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:43,859 we can go into the enemy's files grab 1005 00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:45,140 the files bring them to America 1006 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:47,579 photocopy them and send them back and 1007 00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:49,260 they don't even know we were there and 1008 00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,579 that's this whole thing can you go and 1009 00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:52,740 can you grab the stuff out of the 1010 00:36:56,829 --> 00:36:55,079 Russian files and bring them back and 1011 00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:56,839 then put them back this this this 1012 00:37:01,970 --> 00:36:58,859 paranormal stuff has a lot of 1013 00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:01,980 implications of weapons and the highest 1014 00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:04,280 classification of weapons is is is 1015 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:06,780 that's the highest classification and 1016 00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:09,540 you even have the the the idea of uh 1017 00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:11,820 what's called lead time so the whole 1018 00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:13,800 idea is you want to be lead time ahead 1019 00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:15,300 of the Russians and the Chinese it's 1020 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,859 like the dropping of the atomic bomb you 1021 00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,480 drop the atomic bomb and then the 1022 00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:20,099 emperor says okay well let's drop an 1023 00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:21,960 atomic bomb on them how long is it going 1024 00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:23,820 to take to build oh yeah seven or eight 1025 00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:25,380 years and they go well it's too late 1026 00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:27,480 it's it's the idea you could be one day 1027 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,339 ahead of your enemy in terms of the 1028 00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:31,200 secret weapon and you can win the war 1029 00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:33,000 because they can't fight back they they 1030 00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,200 haven't got the weapon and that's what 1031 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,599 it's about this lead time is staying 1032 00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:38,160 ahead of the rush and staying way ahead 1033 00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:39,660 of them so they they don't develop 1034 00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,460 because that's the whole thing DARPA 1035 00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,160 that's why DARPA was built is because 1036 00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,380 the Americans got caught with Sputnik 1037 00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:48,660 they got embarrassed that Sputnik went 1038 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,220 up before them and they said this will 1039 00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,380 never happen again DARPA will ensure 1040 00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,060 that we are on the Leading Edge of all 1041 00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:55,920 technology so if they're going to be on 1042 00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:57,660 the Leading Edge of the UFO technology 1043 00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:59,579 they are not going to take any chances 1044 00:38:02,329 --> 00:38:00,660 they're going to keep it highly 1045 00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:02,339 classified and they're going to work it 1046 00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:04,440 so they have this this lead time thing 1047 00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:06,359 and then that's that's what national 1048 00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,820 security is all about is is this idea 1049 00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:10,320 that there are all these enemies out 1050 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,540 there and we're going to make sure and 1051 00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,700 the and the idea of the the UFOs may be 1052 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,520 enemies and we don't know for sure so uh 1053 00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,200 we're not going to tell people what we 1054 00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,599 know and I I just don't see anything 1055 00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,760 coming out beyond the numbers I mean 1056 00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:26,040 there may be with Luke and force out 1057 00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:27,119 something or it's coming out through 1058 00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,339 leaks through Lou and Chris as to what 1059 00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:30,720 they've got but you've heard about it 1060 00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:32,460 well they've got these 20 videos they 1061 00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:33,960 got this 20 minute video where the thing 1062 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:36,119 morphs I've even talked to a guy who saw 1063 00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:37,560 the video and you have all these things 1064 00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,760 that got all this stuff and it hasn't 1065 00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:40,320 come out well why hasn't come out you 1066 00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,940 just hear the rumors of this stuff so 1067 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:43,619 they have it and they and they they're 1068 00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,000 trying to get it out they can't get this 1069 00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:47,040 stuff out well 1070 00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,800 um it it goes back to the point uh that 1071 00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:51,599 we were talking about the start of the 1072 00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:52,980 show which is this 1073 00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,300 it's not just an American thing and if 1074 00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,960 we have a craft at Lockheed Skunk Works 1075 00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:03,119 that were backwards engineering which 1076 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,820 seems to be the case well Russia's got 1077 00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:07,920 to have one too I mean what we're we're 1078 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:10,680 the only ones to possess something like 1079 00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:14,700 this what about China and and China's uh 1080 00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:18,420 technical skills have accelerated Beyond 1081 00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:20,220 they have their own space station right 1082 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,220 now they've got six dudes on that space 1083 00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:25,500 station right now six we have seven on 1084 00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:28,200 the ISS but that's where where China is 1085 00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:31,500 Hypersonic missiles and and the 1086 00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:34,619 technology and the abilities of uh both 1087 00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:36,900 the Chinese and the Russians are right 1088 00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:40,020 there on par with us is it you know is 1089 00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:42,980 it a stretch to suggest 1090 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:46,859 that Russia or China or both have have a 1091 00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:48,060 craft of their own that they're 1092 00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,859 backwards engineering I would say not 1093 00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:52,079 that's what Bigelow said Bigelow said he 1094 00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,579 believes that China has one Russia has 1095 00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,440 one South America they even said that he 1096 00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:57,119 believes they're being seated which is 1097 00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,619 the same thing that Tim Taylor said 1098 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,720 believe the gifting field idea that's 1099 00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:02,160 what AZ Jack ballet and Jacques Valley 1100 00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:03,960 says well I think I come up with the 1101 00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,940 idea and so they all believe this idea 1102 00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,440 that it's actually being dropped but 1103 00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:09,359 what you got to realize is what is the 1104 00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,460 potential like Jim semigan says and 1105 00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:13,740 that's what I I mean I my opinion right 1106 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,480 now is they really don't know anything 1107 00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:17,760 is like if they will say at the end of 1108 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:19,740 the Wilson leaked document it says we 1109 00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:22,140 have a craft and we think it will fly we 1110 00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:23,940 think it'll fly and and what does that 1111 00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:25,800 mean it means they have a craft and they 1112 00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:28,320 can't fly it because they can't turn it 1113 00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:30,420 on you need Consciousness to turn it on 1114 00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:32,099 so you have this Consciousness interface 1115 00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:33,960 thing that they can't figure out and 1116 00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:35,339 then that's what Eric Davis says they 1117 00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:37,800 took it and put it on the Shelf in 1989. 1118 00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:39,300 they couldn't figure it out that's the 1119 00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:40,740 core story thing we can't figure this 1120 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:42,660 thing out and and then you have the 1121 00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:44,700 thing which I'm working on now because I 1122 00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,500 did the the whole thing about the sky 1123 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:48,000 pilot thing the people who claim to have 1124 00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,500 flown the crop and it's done with the 1125 00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:50,720 mind I've got 1126 00:40:56,650 --> 00:40:54,119 can we let's talk about the book let's 1127 00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:56,660 let's it's a good flow it's a good segue 1128 00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,900 uh the book is called UFO Sky pilots and 1129 00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:03,180 I I remember 1130 00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:06,660 um uh reading uh the synopsis the idea 1131 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,000 behind the book that you went and 1132 00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:11,520 interviewed how many how many people I 1133 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:14,700 have 36 plus people in the book 36 1134 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,000 people that say that they have been on 1135 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:20,280 board and flown these craft correct yeah 1136 00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,740 which is a totally bizarre thing when I 1137 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,599 first heard it I said this is absolutely 1138 00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:26,160 insane like are you crazy I was going to 1139 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,119 throw the woman out of the house when 1140 00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:28,800 she first told me I said this is bizarre 1141 00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,200 if you're going to make up a UFO story 1142 00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,520 and that's what the part the bizarre 1143 00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:34,800 it's almost like hell hell put off says 1144 00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,040 the UFO uh phenomena is absurd that's 1145 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:39,839 exactly what it is it's absurd like it 1146 00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:41,160 doesn't make any sense say if you're 1147 00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:42,300 gonna make up a story you're gonna say 1148 00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,800 oh I flew the crap yeah sure you did 1149 00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:45,780 this is a woman it was like in her 70s 1150 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,579 so I've thrown following three different 1151 00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,040 models I'm going come on like I couldn't 1152 00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:51,839 believe it and and then suddenly all 1153 00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,579 these other people started coming to me 1154 00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:55,920 and and I and I started to realize that 1155 00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:58,740 this may actually be true and it was 1156 00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:00,540 just the the most bizarre thing but you 1157 00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,220 look at that technology but you look at 1158 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,079 the other technology that some of the 1159 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,000 sky Pilots talk about is they go inside 1160 00:42:11,530 --> 00:42:08,280 the craft and like like 1161 00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,540 um uh love uh love love love 1162 00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,859 Lovecraft what's his name 1163 00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:16,140 um Stephen uh Chris Bledsoe had that 1164 00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:17,880 where the craft is bigger on the inside 1165 00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,520 than it is outside and there's a 1973 1166 00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,079 Stringfield report which I just 1167 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:24,839 discovered 1973 Springfield report that 1168 00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:27,380 talks about the fact that the uh our 1169 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,599 photographer is flown out of Hawaii into 1170 00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,880 Norton Air Force Base he's moved in a 1171 00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:35,040 car for two hours and he comes to this 1172 00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:36,780 Hangar and inside the hangar there's a 1173 00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:39,060 there's a big Crane and on the end of 1174 00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:40,920 the crane there's this netting which is 1175 00:42:45,470 --> 00:42:43,079 holding a saucer that's 30 feet across 1176 00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:45,480 and this guy's job is to go in and film 1177 00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,940 the panels so in the board the the book 1178 00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:50,280 I actually show the panel Chris Bledsoe 1179 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:51,720 showed the panel with the with all the 1180 00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,940 he drew the panel with all these these 1181 00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:55,619 symbols on it and his job was to 1182 00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,480 photograph all these panels with the 1183 00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:59,040 symbols on him and he said when he 1184 00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:01,740 walked in he said he could he could have 1185 00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:04,200 um taken a football and in any direction 1186 00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:06,300 he could have thrown it as hard as he 1187 00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,339 could and not hit a wall and the other 1188 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,839 thing it was 30 feet on the outside and 1189 00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,760 it was huge on the inside and all and 1190 00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,800 then I'd say maybe seven or eight 1191 00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:15,599 experiences describe that to me one guy 1192 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:18,060 decides that I looked in to the left I 1193 00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:19,740 could not see the end of The Craft I 1194 00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:21,180 looked to the right I could not see the 1195 00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:23,400 end of the crowd well if this technology 1196 00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,740 on the ground it's doing this where 1197 00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:27,119 they've got it captured where you have 1198 00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,980 hell put off even said that I would like 1199 00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,540 to know he said I'd like to know how can 1200 00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:32,400 the craft be bigger on the inside than 1201 00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:34,140 the outside which sort of confirms that 1202 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:36,839 yeah this is true so if you have this it 1203 00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:39,060 indicates that this is so far beyond 1204 00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:40,800 what we have and then they're they're 1205 00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,800 trying to figure this thing out that do 1206 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,420 people have to realize that you know 1207 00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,800 when you get crafts that you fly with 1208 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,420 your mind or people will tell the story 1209 00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,640 they're in the craft and the being says 1210 00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:52,800 oh I'll I'll show you something a book 1211 00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,319 and the wall is there and he goes like 1212 00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:57,599 this to the by the wall and the book 1213 00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,640 comes out of the wall and and he opens 1214 00:44:02,809 --> 00:44:01,260 this book that this kind of Technology 1215 00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,819 where they can make the craft as big as 1216 00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,920 they want the first woman that told me 1217 00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,480 that that she was flying the craft 1218 00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:08,220 actually told me she says they can make 1219 00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,020 the craft as big as they want others of 1220 00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,940 these 36 people describe the same thing 1221 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,619 you can make they can make the craft as 1222 00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:15,480 big as they want on the inside she said 1223 00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:18,119 they have craft that are as big as the 1224 00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:20,520 solar system I went yeah right there and 1225 00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:22,260 but then when this other stuff started 1226 00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:23,819 to be confirmed I'm thinking maybe this 1227 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,780 is true because these people are 1228 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,160 describing the craft can be as big as 1229 00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,599 they want so you can actually have like 1230 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,040 a rock sitting on the side of the road 1231 00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:30,720 and inside there's a whole civilization 1232 00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:33,180 that you see it as as a craft that's 30 1233 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,900 feet across and inside even uh uh Lufkin 1234 00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,520 or whatever his name is said when he 1235 00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,839 went inside it was the size of a 1236 00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:41,940 football stadium inside and talking 1237 00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,880 about Perry Terry Lovelace yeah Terry 1238 00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,220 Lovelace so so that's the thing is you 1239 00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:49,440 get this bizarre technology or people 1240 00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,700 will go in there and they'll describe 1241 00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:52,440 stuff that you see in underbody 1242 00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,300 experience in other paranormal phenomena 1243 00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,400 they'll go in the one guy from Liverpool 1244 00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,079 because all that what do they all do 1245 00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:00,480 it's all the same story you go into the 1246 00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:02,460 craft lots of times there's a there's a 1247 00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:04,440 being or there's military people that 1248 00:45:08,089 --> 00:45:06,359 can't tell whether it's alien 1249 00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:08,099 intelligence or human intelligence bad 1250 00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,020 but somebody's behind them they go in 1251 00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:11,940 the craft to have a guy out of La who's 1252 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:13,859 in the who's part of the 1253 00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:16,140 um uh Orange County group his name is 1254 00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:19,740 Robert he's former U.S Air Force Colonel 1255 00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,220 retired flew f-16s and stuff he told me 1256 00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:25,260 he goes in the craft he's standing there 1257 00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:27,060 and these beings are behind him and they 1258 00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:27,900 say 1259 00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:34,020 what to do just do it and he sees this 1260 00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:35,400 panel on the wall he goes and puts his 1261 00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,260 hand on the panel everybody described 1262 00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:39,359 the same thing you put your hand on the 1263 00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:41,819 panel and you suddenly realize this 1264 00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:44,520 craft is alive which means this is 1265 00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:46,380 artificial intelligence this is what 1266 00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:47,819 artificial intelligence is going to look 1267 00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:49,800 like 500 years or a thousand years from 1268 00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:51,780 now it's biological that's the mistake 1269 00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,220 we're making we're thinking you put 1270 00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:55,380 enough computer stuff into a machine and 1271 00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:57,000 it will work no you need biological 1272 00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:59,940 material to think to develop and that's 1273 00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:01,740 what they've got the craft the craft is 1274 00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:04,440 alive it's conscious you can talk to the 1275 00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,780 craft and whatever you do you become one 1276 00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:08,640 with a craft and everybody describes the 1277 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,900 same thing you suddenly become one of 1278 00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:11,760 the craft whatever you think is what the 1279 00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:14,099 craft does and then they tell you the so 1280 00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:15,540 this guy puts his hand on the panel 1281 00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:17,339 these every US Air Force Colonel guy 1282 00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,260 puts his hand on the panel and he said 1283 00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:21,119 suddenly he says I'm flying it's like 1284 00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:23,339 flying an F-16 fighter he's like I 1285 00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,599 couldn't believe it I'm flying this 1286 00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,520 thing and then he says I take my one 1287 00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:27,839 hand off the panel and I'm ready to play 1288 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:29,220 put it back down because I figured it's 1289 00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:30,780 going to stall and he says I take my 1290 00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:32,339 hand off the panel and I'm still flying 1291 00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:33,900 the craft and then I take my other hand 1292 00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:35,700 off the pound but only one inch he's got 1293 00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:37,140 a ready to put it back down takes his 1294 00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,819 hand off and he's still flying to craft 1295 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,260 and he's got his hands off and they all 1296 00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:41,760 say the same thing you only have to put 1297 00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,560 your hand on the panel you take your 1298 00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:45,599 hand off the panel and then they'll tell 1299 00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:48,839 you go within yourself it's inside you 1300 00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:51,240 with think where you want to go and this 1301 00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,579 is what Stephen Greer uses in his his 1302 00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,440 initiation when he does the meditation 1303 00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:57,960 before he has the soothy expression you 1304 00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,260 think yourself a puny form when within 1305 00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,900 you the universe is unfolded and if 1306 00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:05,700 that's true if it's all within you they 1307 00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,619 say go within yourself think where you 1308 00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:09,720 want to go and everybody whether it's 1309 00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,140 John Ramirez whether it's uh Chris 1310 00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:15,839 Bledsoe will say you instantly go almost 1311 00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,099 like the remote viewing where you say 1312 00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:20,040 here's the target number 76734 and 1313 00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:22,440 person says I'm at the Target there's no 1314 00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:23,819 I'm flying to the Target I'll be there 1315 00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,980 you're at the Target instantaneously you 1316 00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,300 just think where you want to go and 1317 00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:29,400 people will say the one guy told me Ron 1318 00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:31,560 Johnson who's a Mormon guy very strict 1319 00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:33,660 Mormon guy out of Utah he's had 1320 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,980 experiences his whole life now he's 1321 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,240 written a book about all these 1322 00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:38,160 experiences he had about his life with 1323 00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,400 this being by the name of uh Alby and he 1324 00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,800 says he sits in the chair he says where 1325 00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:45,420 do you want to go he says I'd like to 1326 00:47:50,089 --> 00:47:47,220 see the Milky Way from a distance and 1327 00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:50,099 they say okay it's within you think 1328 00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:52,020 about where you want to go and he said 1329 00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,520 in one second he said it was like going 1330 00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,040 through the pages of a book it was like 1331 00:47:59,569 --> 00:47:57,839 going through the dimensions and he said 1332 00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,579 he looked out the window one second 1333 00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,440 later he said there was a Milky Way off 1334 00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:03,240 in the distance which indicates that 1335 00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:05,700 that's 50 to 70 000 light years in one 1336 00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:08,280 second if that's true there's something 1337 00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:10,260 seriously wrong with our idea about time 1338 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,940 and space and they had they understand 1339 00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,920 how it works and people will talk about 1340 00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:15,720 Ramirez talks about he doesn't even use 1341 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:17,460 a craft where people will talk about 1342 00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:19,740 this thing where they can go to a thing 1343 00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:22,020 instantaneously not even one second and 1344 00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:23,099 that's the kind of stuff when you see 1345 00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:25,319 that technology you realize what we may 1346 00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:26,819 be up against what the military is up 1347 00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:29,339 against where they say okay as as Eric 1348 00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:31,380 Davis said they put it on the Shelf in 1349 00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,180 1989 they just couldn't figure it out 1350 00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:35,040 hell put off said the same thing and 1351 00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:37,020 valet said the same thing that they got 1352 00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:38,940 Hardware but they can't figure it out or 1353 00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:40,440 you'll hear stories that Melinda Leslie 1354 00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:42,060 and people will tell the mill out people 1355 00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,800 where they get abducted and they they 1356 00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:45,540 come in and the person gives them a 1357 00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:47,460 piece of equipment and they they're able 1358 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,780 to operate it and they say okay we've 1359 00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:50,160 got another one and you know this person 1360 00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:51,720 is an experiencer because they can make 1361 00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:54,119 these pieces of The Craft operate and 1362 00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:55,440 and that's the whole thing it's this 1363 00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,540 touching of The Craft becoming one of 1364 00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:59,099 the craft and then you get situations 1365 00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,900 where experiencers will say I know 1366 00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:02,880 they're here I know they're here and and 1367 00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:04,859 and and and and personal say well how do 1368 00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:06,420 you know and that's because they 1369 00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:08,460 vibrated with the craft so when the 1370 00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:09,780 craft is in the area they can feel the 1371 00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,400 vibration it's here it's here they can't 1372 00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:13,560 see it yet like that's which Chris Chris 1373 00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:15,660 Bledsoe and John Alexander where they're 1374 00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,980 standing here Chris Butzel said to John 1375 00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:19,020 Alexander they're here John says how do 1376 00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,520 you know I just know I just know they're 1377 00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:21,960 here and John says bum this thing 1378 00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:23,339 appears above them and goes flying off 1379 00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,780 and John said was one of the most 1380 00:49:27,650 --> 00:49:26,160 impressive things he's ever seen in his 1381 00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:27,660 life but that's the whole idea once you 1382 00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:29,579 vibrated with the craft it's this 1383 00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:31,859 touching the Oneness of the craft the 1384 00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:33,300 craft is alive it's artificial 1385 00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:35,880 intelligence even Kathy Martin's 1386 00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:38,040 assistant whose name will escape me she 1387 00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,480 even said she was talking to the craft 1388 00:49:43,309 --> 00:49:41,880 and she said I felt sorry for it and it 1389 00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:43,319 was communicating with all different 1390 00:49:47,390 --> 00:49:45,300 crafts all around the universe and she 1391 00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:47,400 said I I'm sorry I'm sorry you're locked 1392 00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:49,380 up in this craft and he said that is my 1393 00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:51,540 job do not worry about me I I'm doing 1394 00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,400 what I want to do and she's talking to 1395 00:49:56,809 --> 00:49:54,720 the craft and other people gave the 1396 00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,819 craft names but you see this and the 1397 00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:02,089 um uh Gary Nolan says one case is 1398 00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:05,700 anecdotal two is evidence 36 cases we 1399 00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,319 better start investigating I even talked 1400 00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:09,119 to the free Foundation because in the 1401 00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:10,380 free Foundation when they did the 1402 00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:12,540 experiences for 3 000 experiences they 1403 00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,280 did the poll to ask the question and the 1404 00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,140 people that answered the question how 1405 00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:18,240 many people have flown the craft 14 of 1406 00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:19,980 the people said they'd flown the crowd I 1407 00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:22,020 went to free I said we should send out a 1408 00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:24,119 survey to these 14 of people and let's 1409 00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:25,560 analyze these people and ask them what 1410 00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,240 they're saying or how it works and stuff 1411 00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,040 like that for propulsory and I was told 1412 00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,480 oh well there's all sorts of stuff 1413 00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:32,220 happening inside the craft they see also 1414 00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:33,900 just stuff I see how they may see stuff 1415 00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:35,579 but when they start talking about flying 1416 00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,660 the craft don't you think we should be 1417 00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:38,400 talking to these people there's a lot of 1418 00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:42,240 people are claiming this well okay so it 1419 00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,099 seems that 1420 00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,800 it's an easy enough thing to figure out 1421 00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:49,140 in that it's a Consciousness driven 1422 00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:52,800 vehicle right and for Lockheed if you go 1423 00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:56,220 to the Wilson Davis document where uh 1424 00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:58,140 these three members of this Aerospace 1425 00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:59,819 Corporation we can assume that it was 1426 00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:02,880 Lockheed I feel confident in in saying 1427 00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:03,900 that 1428 00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,119 can fly well I aren't aren't the 1429 00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,339 engineers at Lockheed smart enough to 1430 00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:14,520 know that you it's a Consciousness 1431 00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:16,500 driven vehicle you have to put your 1432 00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,660 hands down and get connected to it why 1433 00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:20,640 can't they figure that part out I that 1434 00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:22,500 doesn't make sense to me well but you're 1435 00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:24,059 not the right person it's like your 1436 00:51:26,809 --> 00:51:25,740 fingerprint on your cell phone it has to 1437 00:51:28,609 --> 00:51:26,819 be the right person it has to be a 1438 00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:28,619 experience that's right they put these 1439 00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:30,059 pieces of equipment in the person's hand 1440 00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,619 and if they could operate it then you 1441 00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:33,119 know okay this is an experiencer and 1442 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,960 they're saying they're trying to figure 1443 00:51:37,849 --> 00:51:35,760 out why did the aliens pick you why they 1444 00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:37,859 got you why are they training you to to 1445 00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:40,140 uh fly the craft why are they teaching 1446 00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:41,460 you to levitate stuff and stuff like 1447 00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:43,140 that and I think it may even have been 1448 00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,760 on your show it was either you or George 1449 00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:47,520 Knapp when you first interviewed uh Tom 1450 00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,020 DeLonge he talks about being in the 1451 00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:50,880 skiff and there's just there's the two 1452 00:51:54,109 --> 00:51:52,740 guys and Robert Weiss is still hasn't 1453 00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,119 come in the room yet and they're they're 1454 00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:55,680 asking about this conspiracy website 1455 00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,300 that he had this crazy experiencing 1456 00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:59,520 website and and he's he's trying to 1457 00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:01,980 justify this and then the head scientist 1458 00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,900 he says the head scientist asked him he 1459 00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,520 says so I just want to know how does it 1460 00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:07,440 work how do they get here and he had 1461 00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:08,819 been hanging around with Greer at the 1462 00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:10,619 time before he broke off with Greer he 1463 00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:11,880 was hanging around with Greer and then 1464 00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:13,619 he said well I think Consciousness isn't 1465 00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,900 involved and he said the scientists said 1466 00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,760 now the head scientist for Lockheed 1467 00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,500 Skunk work said to him now you're 1468 00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:21,540 talking and Tom Delong said that's all 1469 00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,339 he wanted to talk about for 45 minutes 1470 00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,440 was Consciousness so they know the 1471 00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,180 Consciousness Connection but the thing 1472 00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:29,160 is if you can give the you can bring 1473 00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,300 somebody in with a piece of the 1474 00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,160 equipment for the the craft they can't 1475 00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,839 get it to work you need an experience or 1476 00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:35,760 you need someone who's actually been 1477 00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,040 locked in by it's almost like you you 1478 00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:40,319 get trained by the beings to to do this 1479 00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:42,119 and not everybody can turn the craft on 1480 00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:43,800 so they understand this Consciousness 1481 00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:45,900 Connection but it's the whole idea that 1482 00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:47,700 they've had this craft even Eric Davis 1483 00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:49,319 said you know this whole idea and I've 1484 00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:50,579 heard this for years that they had a 1485 00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,339 craft that it was intact and and Eric 1486 00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,200 Davis uses the word that's where he was 1487 00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,559 putting down uh uh Bob Lazar he says Ah 1488 00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,359 Lazar is full of it full of it he said 1489 00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:03,359 that they they shelved it 1989 and the 1490 00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:06,059 hardware is not even at at area 51. I'm 1491 00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:07,500 going holy cow that's a pretty pretty 1492 00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:09,960 big lead and seems like he knows what's 1493 00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,540 going on with the with the thing with 1494 00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:14,400 the thing but you you're listening to 1495 00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:16,859 some of the people like semivan and all 1496 00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,300 these people they basically say we 1497 00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:20,280 haven't got a clue we don't we this is 1498 00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,200 Way Beyond us and that's the core story 1499 00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:24,240 that was when Jacque ballet held put off 1500 00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:26,099 and kid green got together into Denny's 1501 00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:27,660 restaurant and they said oh there's all 1502 00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:29,099 this garbage in the UFO Community we 1503 00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,480 don't have to believe and they said 1504 00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:32,160 let's come up with the core story what's 1505 00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,540 the core story what do we know for sure 1506 00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:35,280 and what they knew for sure was we are 1507 00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,559 being in engaged by some sort of 1508 00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:40,020 intelligence we have hardware and we 1509 00:53:43,549 --> 00:53:41,640 can't back engineer it we're having very 1510 00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:43,559 bad success at back engineering the 1511 00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,240 hardware so that's the whole thing it 1512 00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:47,280 says this Consciousness interface it's 1513 00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,839 this bizarre thing where it's way bigger 1514 00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,220 on the inside than it is outside and 1515 00:53:53,569 --> 00:53:52,079 people will describe the same with the 1516 00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:53,579 other body experience and then you start 1517 00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,020 wondering is this Auto Body Experience 1518 00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:56,880 or is this abduction experience where 1519 00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,200 the person will put his hand on the 1520 00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,480 panel and he says I could see in 360 1521 00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:02,640 Degrees I actually went back to Ron 1522 00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,740 Johnson to clarify this I said can you 1523 00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:06,660 see 360 degrees in One Direction he said 1524 00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:09,960 no 360 degrees up and down 360 Degrees 1525 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:11,640 around me and everybody would say the 1526 00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:13,260 same thing I could see TN 360 Degrees 1527 00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:15,059 well if you talk to people who have out 1528 00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,380 of body experiences that's what they'll 1529 00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:18,900 say I can see in 360 Degrees I had never 1530 00:54:22,849 --> 00:54:21,240 heard that until I started these 36 1531 00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,859 people started coming to me I'd never 1532 00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:24,240 heard that I said that's really weird 1533 00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:26,040 that was like why would you make up that 1534 00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:27,720 story oh actually seeing 360 Degrees 1535 00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:29,339 who's gonna believe you who's going to 1536 00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,420 believe you're flying the craft and 1537 00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:32,160 that's the important part is these 1538 00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:34,140 things are so absurd and it's almost 1539 00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,819 like it was given because you don't find 1540 00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:37,140 this stuff on the internet most of these 1541 00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:38,280 people came to me it was like 1542 00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:40,020 synchronicity where I'd I was talking to 1543 00:54:43,370 --> 00:54:41,880 Chris Butzel and then he said oh I find 1544 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:43,380 the Crafters you're flying the craft too 1545 00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,960 I'm hang on I want to interview you and 1546 00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:47,520 it was these people would accidentally 1547 00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:49,500 synchronistically come to me with these 1548 00:54:52,430 --> 00:54:51,000 stories about flying the craft I and 1549 00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:52,440 there are none on the internet there's 1550 00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:54,660 really none they're all of the are the 1551 00:55:02,109 --> 00:54:58,160 ones that are around are in my book 1552 00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:02,119 the um before we take a break here 1553 00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,380 the the ability to uh I'm gonna use the 1554 00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:09,540 word navigate let's let's just let's go 1555 00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,380 with navigate the ability to do that 1556 00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:14,960 once you take out 1557 00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:18,180 uh you know Hardware out of the mix or 1558 00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:20,460 fly by wire out of the mix or any kind 1559 00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,800 of if the sticks or the steering wheel 1560 00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:24,480 you take all of that out plus the 1561 00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:26,220 direction and the location right you 1562 00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:27,660 take all of that out and you put it up 1563 00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,559 here 1564 00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:30,960 that would indicate to me that the 1565 00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:32,280 process now 1566 00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:34,260 is very simple 1567 00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:35,700 right you're not what you're not 1568 00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:37,500 stepping this isn't Star Wars right 1569 00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:39,480 you're not you're not jumping out and 1570 00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,160 flipping on these switches and going 1571 00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:43,859 through a checklist and you know what 1572 00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:47,040 pilots do watching a pilot take you 1573 00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,480 through his checklist with his cell 1574 00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:50,400 phone by the way it's a pretty 1575 00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,920 disturbing thing to see but anyway the 1576 00:55:57,890 --> 00:55:54,900 key to this Jimmy is that this was done 1577 00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:57,900 20 years ago the movie Firefox remember 1578 00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:01,260 the movie Firefox that's exactly what 1579 00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:03,480 and and so like the idea is like did 1580 00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:05,220 they know this is the whole premise 1581 00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:07,140 where he flies it with his mind he's 1582 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:09,300 flying this this Mig fighter out of 1583 00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:11,400 Russia with his mind it's got this so 1584 00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,260 who put that into the movie when I saw 1585 00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,599 that I go oh they they already knew they 1586 00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,400 had this they stuck in any movie right 1587 00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:20,880 right and so my point being it's easy 1588 00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,400 for E.T to do what they're doing we're 1589 00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:25,680 thinking about all these you know faster 1590 00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:28,800 than light and how is this possible and 1591 00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:31,800 every it it sounds like it's a pretty 1592 00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:34,200 simple process and that's why ET does 1593 00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:36,420 does it because it's easy it's not it's 1594 00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:38,660 not because it's difficult yeah it's 1595 00:56:42,890 --> 00:56:40,800 instantaneous I'll tell you a related 1596 00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,900 story I I had this meeting with Tim 1597 00:56:46,609 --> 00:56:45,119 Taylor this is before he went secreted 1598 00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:46,619 and all this kind of stuff the the guy 1599 00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:48,900 from American Cosmic I was in a in a in 1600 00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:50,460 a cottage with him in in Pennsylvania 1601 00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:51,660 and a bunch of other people Chris 1602 00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,880 Bledsoe and people were there and he 1603 00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,960 came up and he showed me these 1604 00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:56,640 photographs he said what do you think of 1605 00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:57,420 these what do you think of these 1606 00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,160 paintings and the one was these two guys 1607 00:57:02,809 --> 00:57:00,720 and they were like flying through space 1608 00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:02,819 and and one had they had to look like 1609 00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:04,680 pajamas on him one guy was old one guy 1610 00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:06,599 was young and then the next one was 1611 00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:09,900 these uh sort of uh um an eclipse these 1612 00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:11,460 three pictures of an eclipse and then 1613 00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,020 there was one with all these Balls big 1614 00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,640 Balls going into little balls he said 1615 00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:16,079 what do you think of this I go I don't 1616 00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:17,640 know Tim I have no idea and then he 1617 00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,880 shows me on top of the the 57 or 58 Chev 1618 00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,559 or something on top he said there's a 1619 00:57:25,849 --> 00:57:24,240 postcard in the back and his thoughts is 1620 00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,859 this guy with his girlfriend he says oh 1621 00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:27,480 I wish I could travel through time to be 1622 00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,800 with you and I said that's what the 1623 00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,240 postcard said he said yeah so the 1624 00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:32,400 postcard said and and and then he said 1625 00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,960 well he said you know where that is I 1626 00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:36,000 said no I have no idea where it is I I 1627 00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:37,200 have no idea he's talking about it's 1628 00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,480 like he's showing me these stupid uh 1629 00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:41,040 paintings and he says you know what you 1630 00:57:45,049 --> 00:57:42,900 know where that is I said no he said 1631 00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:45,059 that's a huge aircraft building I said I 1632 00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:46,380 still don't know I have no idea what 1633 00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:47,640 you're talking about Tim he said that's 1634 00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:49,380 where the jumper was and I went that's 1635 00:57:53,930 --> 00:57:51,660 where the jump room was I said and he 1636 00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,940 said the one with the two guys flying is 1637 00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,400 outside the elevator and I go wow and 1638 00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,559 then I go so I go and I go to Lockheed 1639 00:58:03,049 --> 00:58:00,359 it's still there outside of LAX you can 1640 00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:03,059 go there it's a no it's a a a an office 1641 00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:04,440 building you can go and you can take 1642 00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:06,300 photographs of these these these 1643 00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:08,520 paintings that Tim showed me and and I 1644 00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:10,140 went up and there's no car on the on the 1645 00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:11,819 on the Parkade or whatever and I took it 1646 00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:12,839 and then about two years later I'm 1647 00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,059 thinking to myself I'm going why did he 1648 00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:17,520 show me those photographs why did why 1649 00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:20,760 why was Tim Taylor at lucky there must 1650 00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:22,500 be some truth to the story and it's that 1651 00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:24,540 idea of the jumper room it may be 1652 00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:26,460 twisted story but it's the idea that you 1653 00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,680 don't fly like faster the speed of light 1654 00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:30,300 and you you know put all sorts of 1655 00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:32,099 luggage in there and stuff like you go 1656 00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:33,780 from here to there just instantaneously 1657 00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:36,299 and it's the idea that it's all it's the 1658 00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,299 old idea if time and space are Illusions 1659 00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,280 if they are not what they are how big is 1660 00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:43,200 the universe it could be the idea that 1661 00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:44,460 the Universe it's like the outer body 1662 00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:46,140 experience you leave your body and you 1663 00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:47,880 look back at your brain and you say 1664 00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,099 Consciousness is in the brain I'm 1665 00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,839 conscious my brain is right there I can 1666 00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,520 see my brain and the Consciousness is 1667 00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:55,980 here my body is in my Consciousness I 1668 00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:57,540 look out the window in my Auto Body 1669 00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:59,339 Experience the the stars are in my 1670 00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:01,319 Consciousness and that's this I think 1671 00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:03,240 what the flip is going to be is this 1672 00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:04,920 Consciousness thing where it may be all 1673 00:59:12,289 --> 00:59:08,520 one thing maybe even when we asked uh 1674 00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,299 um uh Lockheed Skunk Works Ben Rich they 1675 00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,640 said to him Jen hurts and I said how did 1676 00:59:18,289 --> 00:59:16,559 they get here how does it work and he 1677 00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:18,299 said he said what do you know about ESP 1678 00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:21,299 and Jan Hartson says oh it means 1679 00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:22,319 everything in time and space is 1680 00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:23,880 connected he said that's how it works 1681 00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:26,099 that's what Eric Walker said to us let 1682 00:59:29,329 --> 00:59:27,420 me ask you what do you know about ESP 1683 00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:29,339 and we said well we didn't really know 1684 00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:30,720 and he said look unless you understand 1685 00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:33,480 about ESP and how it works you will not 1686 00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:35,220 be taken in by the control group very 1687 00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:36,839 few people understand how it works and 1688 00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,780 it's the whole idea ESP with with remote 1689 00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,520 viewing you're instantly at the Target 1690 00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:43,559 you don't travel to the Target you can 1691 00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:45,480 be instantly anywhere you want and 1692 00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,579 that's the that's the you see how far 1693 00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:49,440 that technology is Advanced and that's 1694 00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:51,720 where you you get Jim semivan saying 1695 00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:53,700 there does not appear to be any there 1696 00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:55,980 there almost like the idea is that we've 1697 01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,020 got this thing all figured out is is 1698 01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:00,420 total nonsense that this is so far 1699 01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:03,720 removed so so thing and that's why I 1700 01:00:07,730 --> 01:00:05,700 think the the sky pilot book is so 1701 01:00:10,490 --> 01:00:07,740 important it's 36 people who are telling 1702 01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,500 this bizarre story about what artificial 1703 01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:12,000 intelligence in the future maybe look 1704 01:00:16,609 --> 01:00:14,099 like and the fact that that we can go 1705 01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:16,619 from here to there instantaneously and 1706 01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:18,540 that it's this this a totally different 1707 01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:20,520 world and the problem is a lot more 1708 01:00:24,589 --> 01:00:22,920 difficult than people think it is let's 1709 01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:24,599 take our break right here our guest 1710 01:00:29,270 --> 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your uh your social media 1796 01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:17,660 uh is is interesting and fun and and 1797 01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,660 yeah and funny you're a funny guy and 1798 01:04:28,670 --> 01:04:23,760 and lately 1799 01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:28,680 um uh all serious uh uh in everything 1800 01:04:32,349 --> 01:04:30,900 I'm about to say you've you've posted a 1801 01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:32,359 lot of orbs 1802 01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:37,140 and uh and different ideas uh behind uh 1803 01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:38,640 what these may be we've talked about 1804 01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:42,240 Chris blood so a few times tonight 1805 01:04:47,809 --> 01:04:45,059 um uh ultimately as we start to get into 1806 01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:47,819 this uh subject 1807 01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:49,380 um what do you think what do you think 1808 01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:52,319 is is is going on is this a spiritual 1809 01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,400 thing is this an ET thing uh what what 1810 01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,319 do you you know what do you make of it 1811 01:05:01,849 --> 01:05:00,720 okay part part of 1812 01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:01,859 um well I guess there's two different 1813 01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:04,380 aspects part of what I think is going on 1814 01:05:08,930 --> 01:05:06,180 occult the theory of wow 1815 01:05:11,809 --> 01:05:08,940 where they coming they're they've come 1816 01:05:14,329 --> 01:05:11,819 in and they've as John John Alexander 1817 01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:14,339 says this phenomenon morphs they found 1818 01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,900 that at Skinwalker Ranch it was never 1819 01:05:18,890 --> 01:05:17,520 the same thing every two days in a row 1820 01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:18,900 they would you'd learn something and 1821 01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:20,040 then they would change it they'd do 1822 01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:21,960 something else and what you see is this 1823 01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:25,920 morphing of the they start in 1890s when 1824 01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:27,900 we discovered the canals on on Mars we 1825 01:05:31,849 --> 01:05:30,000 think oh Mars maybe uh you know 1826 01:05:33,230 --> 01:05:31,859 inhabited so these Wooden Ships are 1827 01:05:35,870 --> 01:05:33,240 flying around with these guys with 1828 01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:35,880 beards and the and the balloons and the 1829 01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:37,619 all the stuff and there's ten thousand 1830 01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:38,940 reports and they're all over the United 1831 01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:40,500 States in these and they said they ask 1832 01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:41,940 them where are you from We're from above 1833 01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:44,040 the clouds and then they said we're from 1834 01:05:47,210 --> 01:05:45,599 Mars and so everybody believes okay 1835 01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:47,220 they're from Mars because there's canals 1836 01:05:51,289 --> 01:05:49,140 and then suddenly then then you get the 1837 01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:51,299 the the the the Foo Fighters and then 1838 01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:52,680 the Foo Fighters turn into the green 1839 01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,140 Fireballs then you have the the sauces 1840 01:05:59,930 --> 01:05:57,119 come Nia damski and all that kind of 1841 01:06:02,750 --> 01:05:59,940 stuff with the 1950s the humanoid type 1842 01:06:05,329 --> 01:06:02,760 guys then the gray started in 1961. then 1843 01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:05,339 in 1980 the reptilians start and then we 1844 01:06:09,770 --> 01:06:07,380 have the crop circles 1982 and they 1845 01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:09,780 start very simple we had the the what we 1846 01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:12,119 call soccer saucerness in the wheat 1847 01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,280 fields in Canada in the 70s and 60s 1848 01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:16,079 whatever and then suddenly it appears in 1849 01:06:20,329 --> 01:06:17,520 Great Britain and starts with this very 1850 01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:20,339 simple thing and and and Colin Andrews 1851 01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,020 told me he said they were flying above 1852 01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:23,760 after the first two crop circles and 1853 01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,099 they he says to the pilot there's other 1854 01:06:29,690 --> 01:06:28,559 crop circle guy says we I wonder if they 1855 01:06:31,069 --> 01:06:29,700 could put them together he said they 1856 01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:31,079 flew up next day and the two were 1857 01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,220 together and that's when they realized 1858 01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:34,079 there was this Consciousness thing so 1859 01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:35,760 you have the the crop circle started and 1860 01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:37,500 the cattle mutilation start and then the 1861 01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:39,180 cataly relation stopped and they have 1862 01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,619 the ground traces and there's been a 1863 01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:42,720 ground trace for 25 years there's four 1864 01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:44,280 thousand ground traces with the Pod 1865 01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:46,200 marks and the burned out fields and 1866 01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:47,460 stuff like that and it's almost like 1867 01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:49,020 they're changing the phenomena as they 1868 01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:51,720 go along so once the the the digital 1869 01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:53,400 camera came in suddenly we started 1870 01:06:57,049 --> 01:06:55,020 getting these orb things people started 1871 01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,059 reporting these orbs and I sort of 1872 01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:59,039 watched them and I knew I knew there was 1873 01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,079 a connection like Chris Bledsoe had orbs 1874 01:07:05,569 --> 01:07:03,599 he's filmed the orbs and then Bob 1875 01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,579 McGuire goes there and Bob Aguirre 1876 01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:07,200 reports yeah there's these orbs flying 1877 01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:09,420 around his yard these little little uh 1878 01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:10,920 things and then they showed me the 1879 01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:12,839 photograph of Jim semivan standing by 1880 01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,520 The Burning Tree with these orbs all 1881 01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:16,319 around them so you have this orb Story 1882 01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:17,940 start so I start Gathering the the 1883 01:07:22,490 --> 01:07:20,460 photos or whatever and I'm looking at it 1884 01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:22,500 and I I'm not trying to film them or 1885 01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:24,059 anything and suddenly I realized there's 1886 01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,740 this there's a there seems to be a 1887 01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:27,599 connection that you have these these 1888 01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,160 orbs and then you have these people that 1889 01:07:33,349 --> 01:07:31,440 have this what I call the Mist so it 1890 01:07:35,089 --> 01:07:33,359 looks like a ghost coming in it's like a 1891 01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:35,099 mist or smoke or whatever in the film 1892 01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,500 and then I would so I'd get the next 1893 01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,880 person with orbs I started to talk 1894 01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:41,039 people with orbs you're filming orbs and 1895 01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:44,220 there's lots I I say there's at least a 1896 01:07:47,089 --> 01:07:45,599 million photographs around the world 1897 01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:47,099 that have been taken there's huge 1898 01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:48,660 collections there's a guy by the name of 1899 01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,619 Jeff out of out of Chicago it's 211 1900 01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,780 000 photos and I basically say don't you 1901 01:07:57,950 --> 01:07:56,160 think we should be investigating this 1902 01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:57,960 because there's a definite pattern I 1903 01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:59,460 noticed that these the people would have 1904 01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:01,319 these these these sort of myths coming 1905 01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,180 in this smoke so I would say to someone 1906 01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,799 you're taking or photographs and they 1907 01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:06,720 say show me a photograph you got got any 1908 01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:10,140 uh with uh Miss in the photograph wait I 1909 01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:11,760 got those and then we bring out these 1910 01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:13,020 photographs and they show you this mist 1911 01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:14,579 and then ask the next person you got you 1912 01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,219 got anywhere with Miss they go yeah and 1913 01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,960 they'd show you the mist and then Chris 1914 01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,000 Bledsoe showed me the first beam it was 1915 01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,520 in 2015 he took this thing it looked 1916 01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,440 like this beam coming out of the sky it 1917 01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,080 right down and to the Earth and it was 1918 01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,000 very clear it was like a like a laser 1919 01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:31,920 but it was wide and I go that's pretty 1920 01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:33,779 weird Chris and then suddenly it's like 1921 01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:35,460 the it's like the people flying the ship 1922 01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:37,020 suddenly people started showing me these 1923 01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:38,520 beam photographs and then they go to 1924 01:08:41,570 --> 01:08:39,900 people you got the missed photographs 1925 01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:41,580 they go yeah and they wanted to show me 1926 01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:42,660 the orb photographs look at this 1927 01:08:45,650 --> 01:08:44,040 beautiful orbit I'd say you got the Miss 1928 01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,660 photographs yeah you got the beam 1929 01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:46,799 photographs 1930 01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:48,839 oh I got those two yeah you want to see 1931 01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:50,640 those and and everybody had the same 1932 01:08:53,329 --> 01:08:51,660 thing I realized there was these 1933 01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:53,339 patterns that it would go from from 1934 01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:55,799 ordinary orbs black and white to colored 1935 01:09:00,410 --> 01:08:58,620 orbs to the Mist to the beams and the 1936 01:09:01,789 --> 01:09:00,420 more elaborate the collection got and 1937 01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:01,799 then you see what Jeff's got he started 1938 01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:04,259 getting the the the the the beams with 1939 01:09:08,269 --> 01:09:06,660 with like a rainbow thing in it like 1940 01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:08,279 this this different colors through the 1941 01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:10,440 beams or the beam with you can see the 1942 01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:13,380 the the orbs in the beam the the colored 1943 01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,540 orbs and I started to realize like wow 1944 01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:17,040 there's these massive Collections and 1945 01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:18,480 people were blowing him up and seeing 1946 01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:20,339 faces and all that kind of stuff and I 1947 01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:21,839 thought man we should investigate this 1948 01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:24,600 and then what happened was Bob McGuire 1949 01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:27,480 got involved so Bob Aguirre is is with 1950 01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:30,359 Lala and and Lala they started getting 1951 01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:32,940 these photographs on the the the whole 1952 01:09:36,289 --> 01:09:34,980 thing with the with the Orcs And then he 1953 01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,299 started showing these orbs and they were 1954 01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:37,679 photographing I said yeah all these 1955 01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:39,900 people got them and we started we put a 1956 01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:42,480 group together called orbology the study 1957 01:09:46,189 --> 01:09:44,699 of orbs and all these people started 1958 01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:46,199 together and I got the collection out of 1959 01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:48,900 out of Scotland would be another pattern 1960 01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,940 be you go to the woman trust her name is 1961 01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,319 in in Scotland who's actually 1962 01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:54,000 interacting with the beings she's 1963 01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:55,380 actually claimed she's interacting she's 1964 01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:56,699 flown the ship all this kind of stuff 1965 01:10:02,209 --> 01:10:00,000 she's got unbelievable huge orbs like in 1966 01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:02,219 like the size of the yard just above the 1967 01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,140 yard and stuff like that and then I say 1968 01:10:08,209 --> 01:10:06,239 to her I'd I'd say to her how many have 1969 01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:08,219 you got oh I don't know start with this 1970 01:10:11,290 --> 01:10:09,960 you know tens of thousands and I have 1971 01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:11,300 girl in Macedonia how many you got 1972 01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,320 thousands like go every night I 1973 01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:15,600 photograph got tens of thousands and you 1974 01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,679 start putting all these collections 1975 01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:18,239 together and I started to see they've 1976 01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:19,860 all got the same thing and you see this 1977 01:10:23,149 --> 01:10:21,960 very definite pattern in the thing and 1978 01:10:24,890 --> 01:10:23,159 I'm just saying we need to investigate 1979 01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,900 this I don't yeah people will say it's 1980 01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,360 dead people people say it's aliens and 1981 01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:29,280 people will say it's the camera people 1982 01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:31,260 say of course they say it's dust so then 1983 01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:33,179 I do the receipts and I go oh come on 1984 01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:35,940 Dust I reflecting off the the the the 1985 01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:38,699 lens or the the flash of the digital 1986 01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,100 camera I look it up there's 10 million 1987 01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:43,199 pieces of dust in every cubic centimeter 1988 01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,960 of space so you got 10 million dust 1989 01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:47,520 particles in front of the camera lens 1990 01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:49,260 and you say that you flash you wouldn't 1991 01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,940 be able to take a digital camera flash 1992 01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:53,040 everybody just it just orbs all over the 1993 01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:54,780 place and you see these orbs that are 1994 01:10:58,430 --> 01:10:56,940 actually almost like they've got 1995 01:11:00,350 --> 01:10:58,440 intelligence they're moving around and 1996 01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:00,360 stuff like that and I was just so so 1997 01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:02,280 amazed I called them the new crop 1998 01:11:06,169 --> 01:11:04,020 circles we have the crop circles and now 1999 01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:06,179 they've moved like we had the the people 2000 01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:07,920 who did the light language which I'll 2001 01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:10,140 guarantee you I did not see the 1970s 2002 01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:11,280 these people are going whatever I don't 2003 01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:13,020 know they're talking this light language 2004 01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:15,000 and it's got the the tone to it and 2005 01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:16,380 stuff and there's orbs flying around 2006 01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:17,820 these people and stuff like that and I'm 2007 01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:19,560 going this is just like totally weird 2008 01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,820 these people talk on the light language 2009 01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:23,280 and then the orbs appear and then I say 2010 01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:25,020 maybe this is just a transition from 2011 01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:26,699 crop circles they keep they show you 2012 01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:28,140 this and you get amazed with this and 2013 01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:29,580 everybody gets interested and all 2014 01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,840 they're trying to do is get you to go 2015 01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:32,460 wow they're trying to get you to realize 2016 01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:33,900 the world is not what you think it is 2017 01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,400 the world is a little more complex than 2018 01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:36,960 what you think it is and they want you 2019 01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:39,840 to sort of Marvel at the University and 2020 01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:42,480 be uh drawn in by the unknown and stuff 2021 01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:44,460 like that to move you away from this I 2022 01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:46,020 know everything I've got all the pieces 2023 01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:49,080 almost like Max Planck the the guy that 2024 01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:50,820 missing quantum physics where his 2025 01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:54,060 instructor in 1874 Jolie said oh you 2026 01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,679 don't go into physics you're wasting 2027 01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:57,600 your time don't go in we've got it all 2028 01:12:00,530 --> 01:11:58,739 figured out you're not going to have 2029 01:12:01,729 --> 01:12:00,540 anything to do that's the attitude that 2030 01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:01,739 we have and this is changing the 2031 01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:03,719 opposite of the opposite thing and I'm 2032 01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:04,860 trying to get people with orbs I'm 2033 01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:07,020 saying we got a million at least a 2034 01:12:10,910 --> 01:12:08,820 million photographs that I can actually 2035 01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,920 link you to a million photographs don't 2036 01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,480 you think we should put it through some 2037 01:12:16,189 --> 01:12:14,760 AI intelligence thing and look and see 2038 01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:16,199 what the patterns are or what's going on 2039 01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:17,820 there's definitely something going on 2040 01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:19,140 and people say oh it's just digital 2041 01:12:23,149 --> 01:12:21,000 cameras then I start to look and I start 2042 01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:23,159 finding all sorts of photographs from 2043 01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,159 the 70s from the 60s from the 40s with 2044 01:12:30,169 --> 01:12:28,380 orb photographs in them not not as many 2045 01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,179 as digital it's almost like the digital 2046 01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:32,159 camera opened up that edge of the 2047 01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:34,440 spectrum that picks these things up and 2048 01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:36,300 and as I said there's a million at least 2049 01:12:42,110 --> 01:12:38,340 a million photographs out there and to 2050 01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,120 me it's just absolutely uh unforgivable 2051 01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:44,159 for people to absolutely ignore ignore 2052 01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:46,020 that evidence it's tremendous amount of 2053 01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:47,820 people who got or this and then now 2054 01:12:51,290 --> 01:12:49,260 you've got the thing now everybody's 2055 01:12:52,729 --> 01:12:51,300 getting into it like I I had orbs in the 2056 01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:52,739 1970s we didn't even call them artists 2057 01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:54,120 we didn't know what they were I called 2058 01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:56,040 them ground lights and I got the first 2059 01:12:59,209 --> 01:12:57,840 night I got within 50 feet of one of 2060 01:13:00,410 --> 01:12:59,219 these things and I was going to jump on 2061 01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:00,420 it I've told the story and I want to 2062 01:13:06,350 --> 01:13:03,060 tell it again but uh so I that that's 2063 01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:06,360 how it started for me and as as we moved 2064 01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:09,840 through to this this sort of new thing 2065 01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:11,940 um I I say that you know you've got this 2066 01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:14,340 this material uh nobody's looking at it 2067 01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:16,980 and then suddenly this uh hunt the the 2068 01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:19,140 skinwalker book comes out the the skin 2069 01:13:22,370 --> 01:13:20,640 rockers at the Pentagon comes out and 2070 01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,380 then suddenly they're doing the the orbs 2071 01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:23,760 all in these orbs you gotta watch out 2072 01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:25,260 for the orbs don't get too close to the 2073 01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:27,000 orbs and the blue ones the blue ones 2074 01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:28,560 they're called Blue meanies don't get 2075 01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:30,420 the blue meanies are the bad ones and 2076 01:13:33,530 --> 01:13:31,679 then of course I go to all the people go 2077 01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:33,540 to the airports you got any blue herbs 2078 01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:34,920 like I even posted the one tonight you 2079 01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,080 saw I I said hey you got any blue herbs 2080 01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:39,120 oh yeah we got blue Arts I said did you 2081 01:13:44,689 --> 01:13:42,719 get eaten uh did you get injured no even 2082 01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,699 Betty Andreas and his six books written 2083 01:13:49,130 --> 01:13:47,280 on Betty Andreas and her Main orb she 2084 01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:49,140 had an orb that flow that followed her 2085 01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:51,060 around it was a blue orb she called it 2086 01:13:54,770 --> 01:13:53,219 her protector all her books she talks 2087 01:13:56,209 --> 01:13:54,780 about the blue herbs so that's the thing 2088 01:13:58,189 --> 01:13:56,219 is now now the Pentagon is talking about 2089 01:14:00,169 --> 01:13:58,199 orbs so I think it's in the ballpark 2090 01:14:02,450 --> 01:14:00,179 that the the Pentagon is not going to 2091 01:14:03,709 --> 01:14:02,460 look at it but we've got to say if the 2092 01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:03,719 Pentagon is going to put out this story 2093 01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:05,640 that orbs are bad and orbs are going to 2094 01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:07,199 injure you you got to start talking to 2095 01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,940 people who've got hundreds of thousands 2096 01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:10,560 of orb photographs and find out what 2097 01:14:16,810 --> 01:14:11,960 they've got to say 2098 01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:16,820 I um okay I look at this two ways 2099 01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:19,920 one and I think it's it's much more 2100 01:14:27,310 --> 01:14:23,460 significant is that there are orbs that 2101 01:14:30,169 --> 01:14:27,320 you see with the naked eye that 2102 01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,179 is significant whether it's Foo Fighters 2103 01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:31,920 or whether you know ball lightning in 2104 01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:35,040 the past or you know the I've seen one 2105 01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:36,000 orb 2106 01:14:40,189 --> 01:14:38,580 okay and it was big and and I saw it 2107 01:14:42,590 --> 01:14:40,199 with a group of people we all saw it 2108 01:14:45,169 --> 01:14:42,600 together and 2109 01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:45,179 um it started off small and it grew to I 2110 01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:48,480 don't know 30 40 feet it was gray 2111 01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:50,580 um it was 2D though by the way it wasn't 2112 01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:53,400 a sphere it was like flat like a coin 2113 01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:56,340 yeah but but nonetheless I saw that with 2114 01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:00,320 my eyeballs and then the 2115 01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,760 photography side of this 2116 01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:05,040 is where I think it gets a little bit 2117 01:15:10,209 --> 01:15:08,340 sketchy some are real I I do agree with 2118 01:15:13,070 --> 01:15:10,219 that and I think some of it are just 2119 01:15:15,290 --> 01:15:13,080 anomalies with uh digital photography 2120 01:15:17,689 --> 01:15:15,300 and the problem that I have with that 2121 01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:17,699 concept is I'm looking around in my 2122 01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:19,860 studio right now I can see I you know 2123 01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,560 there's dust everywhere I can see it so 2124 01:15:27,770 --> 01:15:24,480 why is it that I can photograph my 2125 01:15:31,310 --> 01:15:27,780 studio uh with a digital camera and not 2126 01:15:33,709 --> 01:15:31,320 see any orbs so what is you know I I I 2127 01:15:35,810 --> 01:15:33,719 don't I don't get it and I'm a little 2128 01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,820 bit confused but that's that's where we 2129 01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:37,440 need to investigate so it's an 2130 01:15:40,370 --> 01:15:38,699 assumption that some of them are going 2131 01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:40,380 to be anomalies but that's not been 2132 01:15:43,370 --> 01:15:41,940 established nobody's actually looked at 2133 01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:43,380 this evidence nobody's actually taking 2134 01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:45,420 these photographs and actually analyze 2135 01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:48,179 them and so we we have the orbs that 2136 01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:52,020 that are are showing up uh around people 2137 01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,960 and and you'll hear them in the C5 thing 2138 01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,640 where people are are seeing this stuff 2139 01:16:00,350 --> 01:15:58,560 but you'll get you'll actually get stuff 2140 01:16:02,209 --> 01:16:00,360 even like like you get people will say 2141 01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:02,219 oh I can't take an art photograph and 2142 01:16:08,810 --> 01:16:06,080 and you've got this guy Stokes out of 2143 01:16:11,090 --> 01:16:08,820 Sedona Arizona and he's famous people go 2144 01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:11,100 and if they pose and he goes and he 2145 01:16:14,090 --> 01:16:12,480 takes photographs and they have the orbs 2146 01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:14,100 trying to get orbs on top of their hands 2147 01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,500 and stuff like that and and people say I 2148 01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:18,239 can't and then he takes their camera and 2149 01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:20,100 takes photographs and absorbs so it's 2150 01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:21,780 got something to do with the person and 2151 01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:23,219 that's the thing is the investigation we 2152 01:16:27,470 --> 01:16:26,100 need to investigate this we have more 2153 01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:27,480 evidence that you could possibly imagine 2154 01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,640 and some people have some of the stuff 2155 01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:31,920 is just unbelievable that they're 2156 01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:34,560 getting that that that you you could you 2157 01:16:37,729 --> 01:16:36,420 wouldn't get with a camera like my son 2158 01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,739 just got married and he's got two 2159 01:16:40,490 --> 01:16:39,120 photographers that were working there 2160 01:16:41,930 --> 01:16:40,500 and I guarantee you they took a thousand 2161 01:16:44,090 --> 01:16:41,940 photographs there won't be a single orb 2162 01:16:45,530 --> 01:16:44,100 in the in these photographs so why are 2163 01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,540 these good things and the things they're 2164 01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:48,239 moving around and they're you or you you 2165 01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:49,980 get like piles of them all the way in 2166 01:16:52,790 --> 01:16:51,300 different directions and stuff like that 2167 01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,800 and it's almost to me it's like they 2168 01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:54,960 they got plausible deniability that you 2169 01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:56,460 can't really prove it or whatever but 2170 01:16:59,810 --> 01:16:57,900 they just they just want you to go like 2171 01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,820 what's going on here this all this sort 2172 01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:01,679 of stuff it's the wow effect they always 2173 01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:03,480 like the the same thing thing like when 2174 01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:04,980 I talk about the Nimitz okay so the 2175 01:17:09,770 --> 01:17:07,860 Nimitz why did the Nimitz why did the 2176 01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:09,780 Tic Tac drop from nine eighty nine 2177 01:17:12,890 --> 01:17:11,640 thousand feet to sea level in seven 2178 01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:12,900 eighths of a second 2179 01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,360 was that an abduction maneuver was that 2180 01:17:20,030 --> 01:17:17,460 uh they ran out of gas no they were 2181 01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:20,040 showing off they went watch this or like 2182 01:17:24,110 --> 01:17:22,500 when the the the the balls they change 2183 01:17:26,030 --> 01:17:24,120 it so they have the orbs the balls with 2184 01:17:28,130 --> 01:17:26,040 the squares in them and they come within 2185 01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:28,140 a foot of the the aircraft and I can 2186 01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,940 just see hey zogar a [\h__\h] I can get 2187 01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:31,320 closer to the plane than you can and 2188 01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:32,580 they're playing games they're just 2189 01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:34,020 they're just doing this wild thing 2190 01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:35,400 they're trying to get us accustomed to 2191 01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:36,840 the fact that there's all this weird 2192 01:17:40,010 --> 01:17:38,340 stuff going on and people are trying to 2193 01:17:42,169 --> 01:17:40,020 investigate it and it gets us to the 2194 01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,179 idea that the reality that we think the 2195 01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:45,120 space 3D space time and space this is 2196 01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:46,679 all going to be wrong we're just we're 2197 01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:47,940 not even close and that's what Eric 2198 01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:49,620 Davis was saying we're not they can't 2199 01:17:53,689 --> 01:17:51,120 even figure this out they can't even get 2200 01:17:55,970 --> 01:17:53,699 off to square one and and when you get 2201 01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:55,980 into the thing we're on the ground the 2202 01:17:59,450 --> 01:17:57,420 craft is bigger on the inside then you 2203 01:18:01,370 --> 01:17:59,460 got to go like what is you know it's 2204 01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,380 just it just blows your mind and it 2205 01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:03,120 drives people like me to do the research 2206 01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:04,620 and I'm one of the few people that's 2207 01:18:09,290 --> 01:18:07,380 actually sort of tried to gather as much 2208 01:18:10,490 --> 01:18:09,300 of this material as possible and go 2209 01:18:11,930 --> 01:18:10,500 through it and you start seeing more 2210 01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:11,940 patterns and more patterns and more 2211 01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:15,120 patterns and and it's just uh it's a 2212 01:18:18,830 --> 01:18:17,100 definite phenomena that's going on and 2213 01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,840 it may just be like the crop circles why 2214 01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:20,159 are they doing crop circles they're 2215 01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:21,300 doing crop circles because everybody 2216 01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:23,460 says oh it's a hoax it's not a hoax but 2217 01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:24,900 man how do you do that even if you're a 2218 01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:26,280 hoaxing how do you do that it's like 2219 01:18:30,649 --> 01:18:28,500 people are just they take photographs of 2220 01:18:32,689 --> 01:18:30,659 it or why did they mutilate the cow they 2221 01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:32,699 got the cow on the ship I mean you got 2222 01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:34,500 the cow why do you go back and drop it 2223 01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:36,120 from 100 feet down into the farmer's 2224 01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:37,980 yard and take one eye out and take the 2225 01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:39,060 tongue out and stuff like that because 2226 01:18:42,290 --> 01:18:40,800 they want Linda Howe I told Linda this 2227 01:18:44,090 --> 01:18:42,300 thing so you know why Linda because they 2228 01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:44,100 want you to go and photograph it they 2229 01:18:47,630 --> 01:18:46,020 want everybody to see this you're giving 2230 01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:47,640 a message they're singing a message 2231 01:18:50,990 --> 01:18:49,260 they're saying this is downwind and 2232 01:18:52,729 --> 01:18:51,000 downstream from nuclear power activities 2233 01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:52,739 and you did above ground tests and 2234 01:18:56,270 --> 01:18:54,719 that's what this is all about or it's a 2235 01:18:57,890 --> 01:18:56,280 monitoring operation or whatever it is 2236 01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,900 and they're they're trying to motivate 2237 01:19:01,310 --> 01:19:00,000 people and and so they'll do this and 2238 01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,320 they'll do this and they'll do this and 2239 01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:03,600 it's all this weird uh stuff that's 2240 01:19:07,790 --> 01:19:05,340 absurd that you can't really prove that 2241 01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:07,800 doesn't make any sense but it just when 2242 01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:10,260 you get into it you can't the old people 2243 01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:12,060 are worse than the UFO people when you 2244 01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:13,800 go to UFO person you know how it is they 2245 01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:15,719 end up getting divorced their wife 2246 01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,860 thinks they're absolutely crazy you 2247 01:19:21,229 --> 01:19:18,239 reading all these books you've gone nuts 2248 01:19:22,729 --> 01:19:21,239 or whatever your people are worse when a 2249 01:19:24,770 --> 01:19:22,739 person starts getting or photographs 2250 01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:24,780 they're out every night for hours and 2251 01:19:27,229 --> 01:19:25,860 with digital cameras you can take 2252 01:19:28,850 --> 01:19:27,239 hundreds of photographs and you're just 2253 01:19:30,410 --> 01:19:28,860 going looks like we had an orb party 2254 01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:30,420 where they were using point and shoot 2255 01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,159 cameras not even sort of digital 2256 01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:33,600 point-and-shoot cameras and we were out 2257 01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:34,920 there in this field with all these 2258 01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:36,719 mosquitoes and we're all saying stand in 2259 01:19:39,410 --> 01:19:38,040 the same direction okay let's all 2260 01:19:41,330 --> 01:19:39,420 photograph the same time and see if we 2261 01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:41,340 we all get the same thing on on our 2262 01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:42,840 cameras and stuff like that and we took 2263 01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,340 so many photographs we couldn't sort out 2264 01:19:47,689 --> 01:19:45,840 which ones were taken in all the same 2265 01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:47,699 directions and it was just absurd like 2266 01:19:51,709 --> 01:19:50,219 these people are just you can just take 2267 01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:51,719 someone who's done it for a month to see 2268 01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:53,880 how many photographs you got to go 5 000 2269 01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:55,620 they just like it was digital you can 2270 01:19:59,450 --> 01:19:57,360 just take one after another and so 2271 01:20:02,090 --> 01:19:59,460 there's these huge collections of these 2272 01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:02,100 these orbs and and there's a definite 2273 01:20:05,330 --> 01:20:03,420 connection to the phenomena there's no 2274 01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:05,340 doubt about that because a lot of the 2275 01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:06,719 people will say that they're actually 2276 01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:08,760 they have contact that they're they're 2277 01:20:11,930 --> 01:20:09,840 actually 2278 01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:11,940 in contact with with the intelligence 2279 01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:14,460 behind it with making these things do 2280 01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:16,739 you think that the reports and I've seen 2281 01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:18,960 the lithographs and the woodcuts you 2282 01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:20,340 know that are hundreds of years old 2283 01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:23,820 showing what appears to be uh a ball of 2284 01:20:29,630 --> 01:20:26,040 light you know moving across the ground 2285 01:20:31,490 --> 01:20:29,640 and then moving on to uh reports and 2286 01:20:33,709 --> 01:20:31,500 it's weird it's never been photographed 2287 01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:33,719 but uh scientists and so forth talking 2288 01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,179 about ball lightning and then we have 2289 01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,880 the Foo Fighters and then of course you 2290 01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,080 know the orbs that we're talking about 2291 01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:42,239 today do you think that all of those are 2292 01:20:46,490 --> 01:20:44,100 the same thing we just didn't have the 2293 01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,500 right words for it no I I think it's all 2294 01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,520 it's just a variation of the same thing 2295 01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:51,840 the Brown Mountain Lights for example 2296 01:20:56,030 --> 01:20:53,640 right yeah well that's that's how mine 2297 01:20:57,649 --> 01:20:56,040 started because we we were we were like 2298 01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,659 we they used to call them spook lights 2299 01:21:01,729 --> 01:20:59,760 and we used to we called them we called 2300 01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:01,739 them uh ground lights and the first 2301 01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:03,780 night we saw them what happened was we 2302 01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:05,040 were waiting for the big ones I had a 2303 01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:06,960 guy that is all his camera gear and he 2304 01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:08,940 said I can photograph these big UFOs for 2305 01:21:12,350 --> 01:21:10,679 you and I said okay we go there nothing 2306 01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:12,360 we're sitting there waiting it's after 2307 01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,679 dark we're waiting nothing's happening 2308 01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,360 and also I look around there's all these 2309 01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:16,800 orange lights and I said Jim what's all 2310 01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:17,880 these orange lights are on us like 2311 01:21:21,169 --> 01:21:19,260 what's going on I've never seen this 2312 01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:21,179 before and then we it was like Farm 2313 01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:22,679 lights but there were oranges or like 2314 01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:24,300 it's orange is oranges and that's when 2315 01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,520 we got within a a couple of feet of the 2316 01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:28,560 first one and that was like a that was 2317 01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:30,900 sort of like a ball so it was it was 2318 01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:33,780 different than now and I even went to I 2319 01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:36,780 I talked to a guy in his awl Bridge who 2320 01:21:40,370 --> 01:21:38,280 was the metallurgist for the Canadian 2321 01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:40,380 government in the early 1950s when all 2322 01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:41,640 these pieces were coming from the United 2323 01:21:46,910 --> 01:21:44,040 States to Canada to be analyzed by the 2324 01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:46,920 by Wilbur Smith they were arriving and 2325 01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,360 and this guy was the guy that did the 2326 01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,400 metallurgic analysis and I said how much 2327 01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:52,320 material did you guys actually handle in 2328 01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:54,840 the 1950s and he said tons of it and 2329 01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,520 then he actually when he saw the mj-12 2330 01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:58,320 document this is many years ago he said 2331 01:22:01,310 --> 01:22:00,120 you know I think I analyzed that piece 2332 01:22:02,689 --> 01:22:01,320 he was talking about the Roswell and 2333 01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:02,699 stuff I think we I think we actually 2334 01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,380 analyzed that piece but what he said 2335 01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:06,719 when I said I said hey uh art I said 2336 01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:08,340 we've got these uh lights on the ground 2337 01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:10,260 I don't know what they are like book 2338 01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:11,940 lights are there they're really weird I 2339 01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:13,920 got within 50 feet the first night and 2340 01:22:17,330 --> 01:22:15,540 it was like a big ball and it didn't 2341 01:22:19,729 --> 01:22:17,340 light up anything it was like it was 2342 01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:19,739 weird again it's like this this idea 2343 01:22:24,890 --> 01:22:22,380 where the phenomena is absurd it does 2344 01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:24,900 really weird things so this light was 2345 01:22:29,149 --> 01:22:27,060 this far from the edge of this wooden 2346 01:22:30,590 --> 01:22:29,159 bridge and I'm looking at it and I'm 2347 01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:30,600 ready to jump on this thing and my 2348 01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,520 friends got I said to my friend hold the 2349 01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:34,080 camera I had an eight millimeter camera 2350 01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:35,760 hold the camera I'm gonna jump on this 2351 01:22:38,990 --> 01:22:37,380 thing before it takes off I'm gonna hit 2352 01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:39,000 it I'm gonna touch it and I knew I could 2353 01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,560 get burned because the Falcon Lake I got 2354 01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:41,760 burned I said I don't care I'm gonna 2355 01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:43,380 touch this thing but I'm looking at I'm 2356 01:22:47,689 --> 01:22:46,560 going that is so weird it was this far 2357 01:22:48,890 --> 01:22:47,699 from the edge of the bridge and it was 2358 01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:48,900 bright you couldn't even look at it it's 2359 01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:50,340 just bright as could be but it wasn't 2360 01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:51,960 lighting up the bridge I thought that is 2361 01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:53,580 the weirdest thing so we called it a 2362 01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:55,560 dead light it was like tremendously 2363 01:23:01,729 --> 01:22:58,440 bright but now we've got LED lights and 2364 01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:01,739 then 1970s now I want to see LED Grant 2365 01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:04,380 Slow Down slow down let me I got to keep 2366 01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:05,580 you focused 2367 01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:08,460 how close did you get to the light 2368 01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:11,820 I was close enough that I felt that if I 2369 01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:14,040 started to run I would hit it before it 2370 01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,540 could take off because it didn't happen 2371 01:23:19,370 --> 01:23:17,520 and so what happened 2372 01:23:20,750 --> 01:23:19,380 well my I gave the camera to my friend 2373 01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,760 he said hang on he said I think there's 2374 01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,040 one sitting on top of the car and I said 2375 01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:24,960 what and there was water in the fields 2376 01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:26,580 it was all those fields were just the 2377 01:23:31,010 --> 01:23:28,860 roads the rest was all water so I took 2378 01:23:33,649 --> 01:23:31,020 these binoculars and I looked at the 2379 01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:33,659 binoculars and and it was like the sun 2380 01:23:37,490 --> 01:23:35,820 it was looking into the North and the 2381 01:23:39,410 --> 01:23:37,500 top of the car it was orange like this 2382 01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,420 orange like a half orange and there was 2383 01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:41,040 this orange smoke hanging down the side 2384 01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:43,380 of the car and I went there's one on top 2385 01:23:47,390 --> 01:23:45,480 of the car and I started running and it 2386 01:23:49,310 --> 01:23:47,400 took about three steps and I go oh [\h__\h] 2387 01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:49,320 and I look around sure enough the one of 2388 01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:51,120 the bridge is gone and so then I figured 2389 01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,620 well I never committed so we started to 2390 01:23:55,550 --> 01:23:54,239 run and moved on to the front hood it 2391 01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:55,560 looked like the car was on fire you can 2392 01:23:57,709 --> 01:23:56,760 see it through the front and through the 2393 01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:57,719 back window was sitting on the front 2394 01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,580 hood and then it went down onto the road 2395 01:24:03,229 --> 01:24:01,440 and then I guess it went into the water 2396 01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,239 and we could see we looked around and 2397 01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:04,560 there was orange lights and they were 2398 01:24:08,090 --> 01:24:05,940 sitting about this high off the water 2399 01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:08,100 and it looked like two orange lights on 2400 01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:09,120 top of each other but it was a 2401 01:24:12,169 --> 01:24:10,920 reflection off the water so there's all 2402 01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:12,179 these orange lights around us and we 2403 01:24:14,990 --> 01:24:13,560 were looking at this thing and they were 2404 01:24:16,610 --> 01:24:15,000 at the car and I didn't know what to do 2405 01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:16,620 I was like I mean just you new 2406 01:24:20,810 --> 01:24:19,440 researcher is that 1976 and I put my 2407 01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,820 hand on top of the car to see if it's 2408 01:24:23,689 --> 01:24:22,560 hot I don't know what am I supposed to 2409 01:24:25,130 --> 01:24:23,699 do like this thing's sitting on the top 2410 01:24:26,209 --> 01:24:25,140 of the car I didn't know what to do my 2411 01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:26,219 friend went and looked to see if the 2412 01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:27,719 keys were still in the car because he 2413 01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:29,699 left the keys in the car and then I said 2414 01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:31,620 and I looked back and I went Jim he's 2415 01:24:34,430 --> 01:24:32,760 back at the bridge come on let's go 2416 01:24:36,169 --> 01:24:34,440 let's walk because we had gone to the 2417 01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,179 bridge twice and it had taken off with 2418 01:24:39,709 --> 01:24:38,159 the car so the last time we walked and 2419 01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,719 that's when we got close I said come on 2420 01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:41,280 let's walk yeah I got close I'm gonna 2421 01:24:45,169 --> 01:24:43,380 jump on this thing he said no I I want 2422 01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:45,179 to go home I said no no crying Jim we 2423 01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,500 got close I want to go I want to jump on 2424 01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:48,239 this thing he said no no and it was his 2425 01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,620 car so we had to go home I was just 2426 01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:52,560 furious and uh so that that ended it and 2427 01:24:56,570 --> 01:24:54,360 we only got close one other time which 2428 01:24:59,149 --> 01:24:56,580 is really weird that you have these 2429 01:25:01,850 --> 01:24:59,159 things of blockages of memories I had 2430 01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:01,860 one this is two days ago so I'm writing 2431 01:25:06,410 --> 01:25:03,540 up the orb story so I'm writing up how 2432 01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:06,420 orbs started in the 1970s or when I 2433 01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:07,860 talked to this medler just he said oh 2434 01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,440 look those are called monitors he said 2435 01:25:14,450 --> 01:25:12,719 and I said oh yeah I have monitors I 2436 01:25:16,910 --> 01:25:14,460 didn't want to look stupid he said yeah 2437 01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:16,920 we had those back in the 1950s they were 2438 01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,540 monitoring our meetings they're 2439 01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:20,159 monitoring what we're doing used to sit 2440 01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,080 on the window sills and we had caught 2441 01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:24,480 one in the in the in the in the front in 2442 01:25:28,189 --> 01:25:26,820 the ditch one time and Wilbur all of us 2443 01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:28,199 saw it when we came out of a meeting and 2444 01:25:31,310 --> 01:25:29,940 stuff like that so then so then he 2445 01:25:33,290 --> 01:25:31,320 called it monitors we called it ground 2446 01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:33,300 lights orbs nobody's talking about orbs 2447 01:25:39,470 --> 01:25:36,420 at the time and um so we we go to now 2448 01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:39,480 and we get the the the the orbs now so I 2449 01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:41,580 was I had it from back then so it's 2450 01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:43,800 morphed it's changed and and I think 2451 01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,120 that's that's what's happened and then 2452 01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:48,480 the digitals came in and to me I I just 2453 01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:50,580 think it's it's a it's a phenomena where 2454 01:25:57,970 --> 01:25:52,920 they're doing all these really weird 2455 01:26:03,010 --> 01:26:00,649 Grant I used to be so skeptical about 2456 01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:03,020 orbs I just thought it was [\h__\h] 2457 01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:04,860 and 2458 01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,520 everything I I really do but when it 2459 01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:10,320 came to orbs 2460 01:26:18,050 --> 01:26:13,980 it's like man uh you know and then 2461 01:26:20,030 --> 01:26:18,060 um when I I'm sitting this is how it 2462 01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:20,040 went down I've told the story too many 2463 01:26:24,770 --> 01:26:21,900 times this is the very short version of 2464 01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:24,780 it it's 10 o'clock at night you know out 2465 01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:27,600 on this Big Field I'm sitting with 2466 01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:30,840 about 75 people we're doing a sky watch 2467 01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:33,300 right so we're all sitting in chairs and 2468 01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,600 and uh and I come down and I'm at the 2469 01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:39,120 end I'm on the right side 2470 01:26:44,570 --> 01:26:41,639 um the uh the majority of people are to 2471 01:26:46,669 --> 01:26:44,580 my left right 50 75 people out this way 2472 01:26:48,770 --> 01:26:46,679 I've got about 10 people around me I I 2473 01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:48,780 come and I sit down in this chair and 2474 01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:52,080 I'm looking out over this field and I 2475 01:26:58,970 --> 01:26:55,800 see this gray Ball come out from behind 2476 01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:58,980 this tree it goes up and then comes down 2477 01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:02,280 and I'm just watching it right and it 2478 01:27:06,530 --> 01:27:04,679 comes down and then it comes down to the 2479 01:27:09,470 --> 01:27:06,540 ground and grows 2480 01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:09,480 and as I'm watching it I I've seriously 2481 01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,540 rubbed my eyes right I go like this all 2482 01:27:16,490 --> 01:27:14,639 right and I look again still there 2483 01:27:17,950 --> 01:27:16,500 and somebody from the back of me this 2484 01:27:21,050 --> 01:27:17,960 lady 2485 01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:21,060 is anybody looking at that gray orb out 2486 01:27:30,410 --> 01:27:27,770 right I turn around to her and then I 2487 01:27:32,990 --> 01:27:30,420 hear the murmur I hear everybody in the 2488 01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:33,000 dark but I hear there's a great where I 2489 01:27:36,890 --> 01:27:34,800 you know I hear everybody and we all 2490 01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:36,900 watched it together now this wasn't 2491 01:27:43,149 --> 01:27:40,020 something captured on a digital camera 2492 01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:43,159 Grant yeah it wasn't me by myself 2493 01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:46,980 meditating uh you know with sage burning 2494 01:27:54,350 --> 01:27:51,179 in in some meditation room no this was a 2495 01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:54,360 large group of people and I I I didn't 2496 01:27:58,990 --> 01:27:57,480 say anything I I thought I had a floaty 2497 01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,000 in my eye 2498 01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:01,920 we all saw it together that was physical 2499 01:28:09,229 --> 01:28:05,940 and that was real and so that forces me 2500 01:28:11,390 --> 01:28:09,239 Grant to go back and listen to what 2501 01:28:14,090 --> 01:28:11,400 other people are saying and how they are 2502 01:28:17,050 --> 01:28:14,100 going about this because if we go back 2503 01:28:19,970 --> 01:28:17,060 historically and it doesn't matter and 2504 01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:19,980 fairies you know things and and the 2505 01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:22,800 woods and the in the light there may be 2506 01:28:28,490 --> 01:28:26,340 something to this phenomenon that isn't 2507 01:28:32,689 --> 01:28:28,500 our imagination what I saw was physical 2508 01:28:34,430 --> 01:28:32,699 okay I mean so okay but then the 2509 01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:34,440 question to you would be what was it 2510 01:28:39,530 --> 01:28:36,120 doing 2511 01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:39,540 here is the okay now check this out so 2512 01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:41,820 remember I described it as being flat 2513 01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:44,880 right yeah okay so it comes down and it 2514 01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,520 was it was probably not quite a quarter 2515 01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:49,440 of a mile away but a couple hundred 2516 01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:52,860 yards for sure and it's pretty big 30 40 2517 01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:55,679 feet when it came out it was just this 2518 01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,340 little gray thing right then it grew and 2519 01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:01,440 I know that sounds crazy but that's just 2520 01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:04,139 what happened that's what I saw 2521 01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:07,560 um but I did I did the reason why I say 2522 01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,000 it was 2D is because it was flat there 2523 01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:14,880 was no Shadow there wasn't any sphere 2524 01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:18,420 thing about it it was it was like a 2525 01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:20,340 piece of paper I don't know how to 2526 01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:22,860 explain it but so it's there and then it 2527 01:29:27,410 --> 01:29:25,679 faded away yeah it just like went away 2528 01:29:30,410 --> 01:29:27,420 so the next day 2529 01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,420 I I got on this motorcycle 2530 01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:33,120 and I wrote out there to see if there 2531 01:29:38,990 --> 01:29:36,239 was some trickery afoot right maybe a 2532 01:29:40,729 --> 01:29:39,000 piece of film and a tree a projector or 2533 01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:40,739 something you know I was thinking man 2534 01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:43,679 I'm being played no and when I when I 2535 01:29:48,770 --> 01:29:45,960 went out there and sought uh the area 2536 01:29:51,709 --> 01:29:48,780 the next day it was much bigger than 2537 01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:51,719 than I thought the space where the orb 2538 01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:53,699 was was out in the middle of this field 2539 01:29:59,090 --> 01:29:55,560 the tree that it came out from behind 2540 01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:59,100 that was at 50 yards behind it it was a 2541 01:30:04,129 --> 01:30:01,440 bigger distance at night you can't judge 2542 01:30:07,070 --> 01:30:04,139 you know you really can't see things 2543 01:30:08,689 --> 01:30:07,080 um but uh I tried to debunk it because 2544 01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:08,699 when you see something like that with 2545 01:30:15,470 --> 01:30:11,520 your own eyes you know and you've got 2546 01:30:21,530 --> 01:30:17,870 give me that gray orb out there I about 2547 01:30:23,629 --> 01:30:21,540 lost my mind okay so the the point that 2548 01:30:25,610 --> 01:30:23,639 I'd like to make on this is 2549 01:30:27,649 --> 01:30:25,620 I say to you what was it doing same as 2550 01:30:30,890 --> 01:30:27,659 the second night when I saw a thing in 2551 01:30:33,169 --> 01:30:30,900 1975 when it was flying away I said This 2552 01:30:34,370 --> 01:30:33,179 Is Us unreal man it's like whoa It's 2553 01:30:37,070 --> 01:30:34,380 like that could be an extraterrestrial 2554 01:30:39,770 --> 01:30:37,080 for another planet like I'm so happy I 2555 01:30:42,250 --> 01:30:39,780 came out here and I'm like what's it 2556 01:30:45,169 --> 01:30:42,260 doing just flying along 2557 01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:45,179 the orb comes so the orb appears to you 2558 01:30:48,890 --> 01:30:47,400 and it goes well look at the acid and 2559 01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:48,900 then it just disappears and it goes away 2560 01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:50,880 right and then what do you do you go out 2561 01:30:55,310 --> 01:30:52,800 the next game detention yeah what's the 2562 01:30:57,229 --> 01:30:55,320 intention why why the message am I 2563 01:30:59,090 --> 01:30:57,239 dragging you in it's showing off it's 2564 01:31:00,770 --> 01:30:59,100 the theory of wow it's it wants Jimmy 2565 01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,780 Church to go wow and tell everybody 2566 01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:02,639 what's going on and and everybody tells 2567 01:31:06,590 --> 01:31:04,679 and the Consciousness Rises it's exactly 2568 01:31:09,050 --> 01:31:06,600 what happened to Bud Hopkins Bud Hopkins 2569 01:31:11,390 --> 01:31:09,060 you know his story in 1963 he's driving 2570 01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:11,400 with his friends on the cape there and 2571 01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:12,960 he's got these people from from England 2572 01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:14,520 and all of a sudden but this flying 2573 01:31:17,270 --> 01:31:16,020 sauces right above the car and he's 2574 01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:17,280 looking up and playing daily and he's 2575 01:31:20,570 --> 01:31:18,900 looking at this thing he's driving along 2576 01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:20,580 and he's driving along and the thing's 2577 01:31:24,050 --> 01:31:21,480 just sitting there he's not doing 2578 01:31:26,330 --> 01:31:24,060 anything it's just saying hey hello God 2579 01:31:28,370 --> 01:31:26,340 here I am and and then he it sort of 2580 01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:28,380 just disappears and then the next day 2581 01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:30,239 what's he do he goes back there he 2582 01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:32,280 re-drives the route to see how far it 2583 01:31:35,149 --> 01:31:33,780 went and stuff like that and then you 2584 01:31:37,070 --> 01:31:35,159 start looking at his case and you start 2585 01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:37,080 to see all these connections like Bud 2586 01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:38,760 Hopkins was involved in War of the 2587 01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:41,040 Worlds Bud Hopkins is always into fear 2588 01:31:44,450 --> 01:31:42,480 oh they're Intruders they're here 2589 01:31:46,250 --> 01:31:44,460 whatever he was involved in war the 2590 01:31:47,870 --> 01:31:46,260 worlds as a 70 year old kid he was 2591 01:31:49,550 --> 01:31:47,880 looking out the window the neighbor came 2592 01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:49,560 over and said we're gonna go up on the 2593 01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:50,880 hill because in New Jersey that's where 2594 01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:52,320 he lived in New Jersey right right 2595 01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:53,760 people going up on the hill and and 2596 01:31:57,229 --> 01:31:55,260 Bud's looking out the window and he's 2597 01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:57,239 looking for the Alias so he has the fear 2598 01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:01,320 of the showman 60 in in 63 he's he goes 2599 01:32:06,050 --> 01:32:03,600 there and they he gets caught he gets 2600 01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:06,060 dragged into it and then in 1975 they 2601 01:32:10,669 --> 01:32:08,100 get him for finally they make the final 2602 01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:10,679 thing he's talking he's buying alcohol 2603 01:32:15,169 --> 01:32:12,719 at the corner store and the guy said hey 2604 01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:15,179 I saw this weird UFO off the thing and 2605 01:32:19,129 --> 01:32:17,460 and these guys came out with shovels and 2606 01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:19,139 these aliens came out these people came 2607 01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:20,880 out shovels and they were digging holes 2608 01:32:25,850 --> 01:32:23,520 and it's like come on it's like the game 2609 01:32:28,729 --> 01:32:25,860 articles and Bud goes there and he finds 2610 01:32:31,189 --> 01:32:28,739 the holes and that's it he's sold he 2611 01:32:33,890 --> 01:32:31,199 he's into the UFO thing he gets Dragged 2612 01:32:35,990 --> 01:32:33,900 In they drag him in I mean they spent 2613 01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:36,000 these absurd things like aliens with 2614 01:32:39,890 --> 01:32:37,800 shovels digging holes I mean come on 2615 01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:39,900 this is you see these bizarre but the 2616 01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,880 UFO show us like why do UFOs have lights 2617 01:32:45,229 --> 01:32:43,199 on it they have lights because they want 2618 01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:45,239 you to see it they want you to go what 2619 01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:47,840 the heck is that 2620 01:32:53,530 --> 01:32:51,120 that's such a great point and I'll I'll 2621 01:32:56,810 --> 01:32:53,540 tell you why that's such a great point 2622 01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:56,820 I did not want to be 2623 01:33:01,970 --> 01:33:00,000 the orb dude Grant I did I didn't want 2624 01:33:05,450 --> 01:33:01,980 to tell the story I didn't want people 2625 01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:05,460 to go come on church I didn't want that 2626 01:33:09,709 --> 01:33:07,440 um the experience when you have that 2627 01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:09,719 many people around you that go through 2628 01:33:13,550 --> 01:33:11,340 that experience and I have the 2629 01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,560 opportunity to talk about it right 2630 01:33:20,450 --> 01:33:16,080 publicly in the media 2631 01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,460 um I I can't let them down right but 2632 01:33:26,030 --> 01:33:22,560 what do I do with it what was the 2633 01:33:29,629 --> 01:33:26,040 intention was it for me to go well you 2634 01:33:31,729 --> 01:33:29,639 know uh I saw an orb well it just may be 2635 01:33:33,950 --> 01:33:31,739 that you know I think that's a really 2636 01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:33,960 really good point that that's that's 2637 01:33:42,290 --> 01:33:38,159 that was the message right to to have 2638 01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:42,300 somebody talk about it and and and I oh 2639 01:33:47,570 --> 01:33:45,260 man I was so reticent yeah 2640 01:33:49,129 --> 01:33:47,580 I don't want to be the orb dude I don't 2641 01:33:51,530 --> 01:33:49,139 want to be the crazy guy I don't want to 2642 01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:51,540 be the cat dude I don't want to be that 2643 01:33:56,090 --> 01:33:53,580 guy they just leave you with enough 2644 01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:56,100 evidence to make you go wow and then 2645 01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:57,840 they they leave you hanging high and dry 2646 01:34:00,110 --> 01:33:58,920 they don't give you anything they'll 2647 01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:00,120 give you any evidence don't leave 2648 01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:02,639 anything with you and and then you go 2649 01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:05,040 out and you you you you you you don't 2650 01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:06,719 want to do it it's like Jim send me that 2651 01:34:09,229 --> 01:34:07,920 he's never talked about his orb 2652 01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:09,239 experience I wanted to see this photo I 2653 01:34:12,770 --> 01:34:11,280 heard about this photo and all he said 2654 01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:12,780 when because he knew Chris had these 2655 01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:14,639 orbs around and around the tree and The 2656 01:34:17,629 --> 01:34:16,260 Burning Tree and he went to Chris's 2657 01:34:19,070 --> 01:34:17,639 birthday all the time and he was an 2658 01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:19,080 experiencer like Chris and he went down 2659 01:34:22,189 --> 01:34:20,639 and he thought Chris had the the most 2660 01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:22,199 magnificent story of anybody gone 2661 01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:23,940 through all this stuff and then he 2662 01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:25,199 suddenly they show him this Photograph 2663 01:34:28,610 --> 01:34:26,639 and he's standing by the tree with all 2664 01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,620 these orbs around him and all he says is 2665 01:34:32,810 --> 01:34:30,719 I hope they didn't follow me home 2666 01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:32,820 because he's singing in the snow The 2667 01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,440 Hitchhiker thing oh I hope they didn't 2668 01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:36,239 follow me home and that's his only 2669 01:34:40,250 --> 01:34:37,679 comment he's ever made on this orb 2670 01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,260 photograph and that's that's where you 2671 01:34:44,090 --> 01:34:42,239 get is this that to me that the whole 2672 01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:44,100 UFO phenomenon to me the more I look at 2673 01:34:47,930 --> 01:34:45,780 it the more it looks like it's just this 2674 01:34:49,729 --> 01:34:47,940 absurd thing that's almost like Jacque 2675 01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:49,739 Valley they're manipulating our thought 2676 01:34:53,330 --> 01:34:51,360 they're moving us down a certain Road 2677 01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:53,340 they've done this on a thousand planets 2678 01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,679 before where where are the The Wooden 2679 01:34:59,870 --> 01:34:58,080 Ships that we're hearing 1895 well 2680 01:35:01,550 --> 01:34:59,880 they're they're over on another planet 2681 01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:01,560 doing the same thing again and then 2682 01:35:04,250 --> 01:35:02,400 they're going to stand in the green 2683 01:35:05,330 --> 01:35:04,260 fireballs and the Foo Fighters and all 2684 01:35:07,610 --> 01:35:05,340 this sort of stuff and they're going to 2685 01:35:10,729 --> 01:35:07,620 run the right thing again that it's it's 2686 01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,739 just a a a a process that they've 2687 01:35:13,970 --> 01:35:12,480 they've been through and none of it 2688 01:35:15,410 --> 01:35:13,980 really makes any sense when you when you 2689 01:35:16,910 --> 01:35:15,420 get down to it they could land on the 2690 01:35:18,110 --> 01:35:16,920 White House lawn and tell us what what's 2691 01:35:19,669 --> 01:35:18,120 going to go on but that's not what 2692 01:35:21,530 --> 01:35:19,679 they're doing they're doing this bizarre 2693 01:35:23,330 --> 01:35:21,540 thing where even though the second night 2694 01:35:25,790 --> 01:35:23,340 when I I didn't think about this till 2695 01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,800 later the second night the thing came it 2696 01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:27,360 was jumping around the sky and this 2697 01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,800 girl's crying I can't see it and this 2698 01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,960 guy's unloading his camera and he's 2699 01:35:34,970 --> 01:35:32,639 photographing his things jumping around 2700 01:35:37,550 --> 01:35:34,980 the sky and and then it as it gets in 2701 01:35:38,990 --> 01:35:37,560 closer it gets closer closer and then 2702 01:35:40,669 --> 01:35:39,000 suddenly it's this red thing I saw the 2703 01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:40,679 night before and it's coming right at us 2704 01:35:45,290 --> 01:35:43,199 and it came right into maybe half a mile 2705 01:35:47,149 --> 01:35:45,300 away and then it made this turn and it 2706 01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:47,159 went off towards the Northeast that flew 2707 01:35:50,990 --> 01:35:49,920 off to the Northeast and I I was I was 2708 01:35:53,330 --> 01:35:51,000 watched that's what I said well what's 2709 01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:53,340 it doing and then I'm thinking like just 2710 01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,840 this year I'm thinking to myself hey 2711 01:35:57,950 --> 01:35:56,400 that was kind of weird if it was on the 2712 01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:57,960 west they wanted to go to the Northeast 2713 01:36:01,250 --> 01:35:59,219 white Indian School from there to there 2714 01:36:02,770 --> 01:36:01,260 Why didn't it why does it have to turn 2715 01:36:05,330 --> 01:36:02,780 well 2716 01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:05,340 what do you think ultimately is going on 2717 01:36:11,149 --> 01:36:08,100 though uh and I'm not talking about 2718 01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:11,159 contact and and giving us you know the 2719 01:36:17,930 --> 01:36:14,940 cure for uh air pollution I'm not that's 2720 01:36:20,689 --> 01:36:17,940 I'm not going there but there has to be 2721 01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:20,699 a reason for them showing themselves 2722 01:36:26,689 --> 01:36:24,000 without firing off plasma death rays and 2723 01:36:29,930 --> 01:36:26,699 taking over the planet right right 2724 01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:29,940 they're not doing anything bad are they 2725 01:36:35,290 --> 01:36:32,460 no I I think the ultimate the ultimate 2726 01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:35,300 goal is this idea 2727 01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:38,400 that Consciousness they're trying to get 2728 01:36:41,330 --> 01:36:39,420 across that's why they're teaching 2729 01:36:42,590 --> 01:36:41,340 people to fly the ship why they don't 2730 01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:42,600 need to have people flying the ship they 2731 01:36:45,169 --> 01:36:43,920 tell them you're flying the ship they 2732 01:36:46,669 --> 01:36:45,179 just want them to tell this bizarre 2733 01:36:48,169 --> 01:36:46,679 story about flying a ship because they 2734 01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:48,179 want this Consciousness Connection they 2735 01:36:52,370 --> 01:36:50,159 want people to realize Consciousness is 2736 01:36:54,110 --> 01:36:52,380 critical I remember 2012 when I had the 2737 01:36:55,129 --> 01:36:54,120 download I mean I was ostracized there's 2738 01:36:57,290 --> 01:36:55,139 people still in the UFO Community 2739 01:36:59,149 --> 01:36:57,300 thought I lost my totally my marbles I 2740 01:37:00,530 --> 01:36:59,159 was totally insane and now everybody's 2741 01:37:02,570 --> 01:37:00,540 talking about Consciousness they know 2742 01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:02,580 even the government is confirming or 2743 01:37:05,209 --> 01:37:04,080 these high-level people are confirming 2744 01:37:07,070 --> 01:37:05,219 yeah there's a Consciousness Connection 2745 01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:07,080 to this thing so we've moved and that 2746 01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:09,000 the Consciousness is the key thing it's 2747 01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:11,400 the idea that like Max Planck says 2748 01:37:16,010 --> 01:37:13,440 Nothing Gets behind Consciousness so in 2749 01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:16,020 the one download I had in 2017 it gave 2750 01:37:20,750 --> 01:37:18,719 me is it this or this you and said not 2751 01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:20,760 only is what you got wrong it's exactly 2752 01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,020 the opposite of what you think so it 2753 01:37:25,550 --> 01:37:23,760 said is the world made out of nuts and 2754 01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:25,560 bolts if it's made out of nuts and bolts 2755 01:37:29,629 --> 01:37:28,020 that's one world but if the world's made 2756 01:37:31,550 --> 01:37:29,639 out of Consciousness that's a completely 2757 01:37:33,410 --> 01:37:31,560 different world with different rules and 2758 01:37:34,970 --> 01:37:33,420 that and Max Planck says Nothing Gets 2759 01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:34,980 behind Consciousness most people don't 2760 01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,380 realize is the guys that started quantum 2761 01:37:41,990 --> 01:37:39,360 physics most of them except for Einstein 2762 01:37:43,310 --> 01:37:42,000 and a couple other people were realists 2763 01:37:45,410 --> 01:37:43,320 they believe that Consciousness was 2764 01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:45,420 primary that God creates the Sparks of 2765 01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,860 the Divine and we're creating the 2766 01:37:50,510 --> 01:37:48,719 universe it's not like God creates the 2767 01:37:52,370 --> 01:37:50,520 heavens and the Earth the physical thing 2768 01:37:54,410 --> 01:37:52,380 and puts the Consciousness in everything 2769 01:37:56,570 --> 01:37:54,420 is conscious we're creating with our 2770 01:37:58,910 --> 01:37:56,580 mind so you take in all the experiences 2771 01:38:00,890 --> 01:37:58,920 you have you you absorb it you put it 2772 01:38:02,750 --> 01:38:00,900 back out information the universe is all 2773 01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,760 information so you take your experience 2774 01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:05,040 and you put it out and the universe gets 2775 01:38:08,570 --> 01:38:06,780 smarter because you've been in the world 2776 01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:08,580 you leave the world with more than you 2777 01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:10,800 brought in it keeps getting smarter and 2778 01:38:14,330 --> 01:38:12,719 more intelligent more magnificent that's 2779 01:38:15,890 --> 01:38:14,340 what I think is going on and I think the 2780 01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:15,900 number one message they've got almost 2781 01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,580 everybody says that the number one 2782 01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:19,679 message that they have is the Oneness 2783 01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:22,320 message this idea that unless you 2784 01:38:26,570 --> 01:38:24,540 realize that everybody's one everybody's 2785 01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:26,580 connected it's game over because as long 2786 01:38:29,870 --> 01:38:28,199 as you believe that that guy's the bad 2787 01:38:31,490 --> 01:38:29,880 guy and I'm the good guy I can steal his 2788 01:38:33,530 --> 01:38:31,500 stuff I can kill we're breaking into 2789 01:38:34,910 --> 01:38:33,540 more and more groups we're separating I 2790 01:38:36,530 --> 01:38:34,920 even made this the story like the United 2791 01:38:38,270 --> 01:38:36,540 States States of America was great 2792 01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,280 because it was the United States of 2793 01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,320 America it is no longer the United 2794 01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,719 States of America and when it starts to 2795 01:38:47,110 --> 01:38:44,400 fall apart when you start getting you 2796 01:38:49,129 --> 01:38:47,120 know different the the blue side yeah 2797 01:38:50,570 --> 01:38:49,139 you have this division that's what 2798 01:38:52,490 --> 01:38:50,580 they're trying to say to us that's the 2799 01:38:54,530 --> 01:38:52,500 same with technology ecology is only 100 2800 01:38:55,729 --> 01:38:54,540 years old the idea of ecology the idea 2801 01:38:57,290 --> 01:38:55,739 that you could throw stuff in the river 2802 01:38:58,729 --> 01:38:57,300 and it's my River I can do whatever I 2803 01:39:00,350 --> 01:38:58,739 want I can throw it in we start to 2804 01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:00,360 realize that what we put in the river 2805 01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:02,880 what we put into the into the world 2806 01:39:07,010 --> 01:39:05,340 around us affects the the ecosystem that 2807 01:39:08,810 --> 01:39:07,020 we can affect it we can kill all the 2808 01:39:10,850 --> 01:39:08,820 trees we can we can do all this kind of 2809 01:39:13,310 --> 01:39:10,860 stuff so it's the idea that what you do 2810 01:39:15,050 --> 01:39:13,320 the Earth affects it that you have you 2811 01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,060 have an effect over the earth and the 2812 01:39:18,290 --> 01:39:16,800 same thing that that when you're dealing 2813 01:39:19,729 --> 01:39:18,300 with other people it's the Oneness 2814 01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,739 message that we're all together it's 2815 01:39:25,010 --> 01:39:21,840 what Reagan said how the world would 2816 01:39:27,229 --> 01:39:25,020 unite if we were if we were faced with 2817 01:39:29,629 --> 01:39:27,239 an alien invasion we'd all realize we're 2818 01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:29,639 just one that we're all just God's 2819 01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:31,199 children that's the idea that they're 2820 01:39:34,189 --> 01:39:32,639 trying and where the Reagan got that 2821 01:39:35,629 --> 01:39:34,199 from them there was a story that he 2822 01:39:37,790 --> 01:39:35,639 hadn't experienced the actually 2823 01:39:40,010 --> 01:39:37,800 encountered the beings whatever it was 2824 01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:40,020 is this idea of Oneness if you realize 2825 01:39:43,970 --> 01:39:41,760 that we're all one thing you can't cut 2826 01:39:46,010 --> 01:39:43,980 off somebody else's arm if you or the 2827 01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,020 idea that everything is divine and if 2828 01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,239 you say I'm Divine and you're not Divine 2829 01:39:52,610 --> 01:39:50,400 then you are the darkness pretending to 2830 01:39:55,550 --> 01:39:52,620 be the light it's okay it's all created 2831 01:39:57,470 --> 01:39:55,560 by God it's all one thing okay so let me 2832 01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:57,480 jump in 2833 01:40:05,149 --> 01:40:01,679 do you remember uh Tom Delong making 2834 01:40:08,330 --> 01:40:05,159 that point on this show where he said 2835 01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:08,340 be careful of who you're trying to reach 2836 01:40:13,250 --> 01:40:10,739 out with consciously and call in these 2837 01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:13,260 ships you don't know good from bad and 2838 01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,840 you don't know what their intentions are 2839 01:40:19,370 --> 01:40:17,760 yeah well that's that's the that's the 2840 01:40:21,770 --> 01:40:19,380 idea that the fear thing so if you're 2841 01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,780 into fear then it's either in your love 2842 01:40:24,649 --> 01:40:23,520 or in your fear so if you're in fear in 2843 01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,659 that what I call the national and 2844 01:40:27,410 --> 01:40:26,159 Security State you're going to believe 2845 01:40:29,149 --> 01:40:27,420 there's these enemies out there there's 2846 01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,159 bad aliens and I mean the aliens have 2847 01:40:32,750 --> 01:40:30,960 been around like like Jim send me events 2848 01:40:33,950 --> 01:40:32,760 man they've been around for like 2 000 2849 01:40:35,149 --> 01:40:33,960 years they haven't done anything yet I 2850 01:40:36,830 --> 01:40:35,159 mean no I really don't believe they're 2851 01:40:38,930 --> 01:40:36,840 evil and and yet we've got this 2852 01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,940 mentality we started it and and the 2853 01:40:41,689 --> 01:40:40,080 reason it's being pushed in the United 2854 01:40:43,550 --> 01:40:41,699 States is because it's the 2855 01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:43,560 military-industrial complex thing that's 2856 01:40:47,570 --> 01:40:45,300 pushing it it's saying they're a threat 2857 01:40:49,970 --> 01:40:47,580 we we have to we it's the idea what we 2858 01:40:51,229 --> 01:40:49,980 can do elizondo's expression well 2859 01:40:52,910 --> 01:40:51,239 there's if there's Footprints in your 2860 01:40:54,290 --> 01:40:52,920 living in across crossing your carpet 2861 01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:54,300 well then you have to think there's a 2862 01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,980 there's a potential threat and they're a 2863 01:40:59,330 --> 01:40:57,440 Potential Threat well the U.S military 2864 01:41:01,070 --> 01:40:59,340 everything's a Potential Threat it 2865 01:41:03,649 --> 01:41:01,080 doesn't matter God's a Potential Threat 2866 01:41:05,149 --> 01:41:03,659 the the angels are it's everything's a 2867 01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,159 Potential Threat because you and you 2868 01:41:09,169 --> 01:41:07,440 come into this this this insecurity 2869 01:41:10,370 --> 01:41:09,179 thing so the more insecure you get the 2870 01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,380 more weapons you get the bigger your 2871 01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:12,239 defense budget gets and it sort of 2872 01:41:16,430 --> 01:41:14,280 builds and then it's what Eisenhower 2873 01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:16,440 said Beware the military industrial 2874 01:41:20,750 --> 01:41:18,719 Congressional complex where the idea was 2875 01:41:22,189 --> 01:41:20,760 once Congress gets involved then they've 2876 01:41:23,870 --> 01:41:22,199 got unlimited amounts of money because 2877 01:41:25,610 --> 01:41:23,880 you're building stuff and you you've got 2878 01:41:26,990 --> 01:41:25,620 money in your your District that's being 2879 01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,000 spent on the project you're not going to 2880 01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,040 vote against it every it's like the F-35 2881 01:41:33,229 --> 01:41:30,960 jet fighters made in 46 different states 2882 01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,239 and the reason the F-35 jet fighter is 2883 01:41:36,530 --> 01:41:35,280 made in 36 46 different states is 2884 01:41:38,270 --> 01:41:36,540 because no Senator is going to vote 2885 01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:38,280 against it if suddenly there's massive 2886 01:41:41,990 --> 01:41:39,960 overruns or whatever that's that's how 2887 01:41:44,030 --> 01:41:42,000 it works and it's this fear thing that 2888 01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:44,040 we're afraid there's me and you and and 2889 01:41:48,770 --> 01:41:46,500 the idea there's not me and you that 2890 01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,780 anybody who's had the the out-of-body 2891 01:41:52,370 --> 01:41:50,880 experience or the the psychic at all 2892 01:41:53,629 --> 01:41:52,380 experience where the Ayahuasca where 2893 01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,639 they say I suddenly realized everything 2894 01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,440 was the life conscious and won and 2895 01:41:58,490 --> 01:41:57,119 that's the idea of the Oneness where 2896 01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,500 they put their hand on the craft and 2897 01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,960 they become one with the craft that to 2898 01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:02,400 me is the ultimate message of the beings 2899 01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:05,040 that unless you realize that you are all 2900 01:42:08,810 --> 01:42:06,900 connected you are all one thing it's 2901 01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:08,820 like people say oh but there's evil 2902 01:42:12,109 --> 01:42:10,440 aliens and I say okay so if 2903 01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,119 reincarnation is a fact and if Jimmy 2904 01:42:16,430 --> 01:42:14,400 Church dies tomorrow and you get born 2905 01:42:18,590 --> 01:42:16,440 tomorrow as a gray alien is Jimmy church 2906 01:42:20,510 --> 01:42:18,600 now an evil guy this is nonsense if 2907 01:42:22,189 --> 01:42:20,520 we're into this race thing there's this 2908 01:42:24,050 --> 01:42:22,199 race and we're the we're the good race 2909 01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:24,060 and it changes the the Japanese used to 2910 01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:25,380 be the bad race now they're good guys 2911 01:42:28,970 --> 01:42:27,119 because they buy our cars and they're 2912 01:42:30,590 --> 01:42:28,980 all great guys and and it changes what 2913 01:42:32,689 --> 01:42:30,600 the evil will evaporate from the 2914 01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:32,699 Japanese or the Germans I mean we used 2915 01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:34,260 to think they were evil guys and we we 2916 01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:35,880 put that label on them because that 2917 01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:38,460 enables us to kill them if you realize 2918 01:42:42,649 --> 01:42:40,380 that everybody's one thing we're all 2919 01:42:44,209 --> 01:42:42,659 connected and it's all all one thing 2920 01:42:47,209 --> 01:42:44,219 that you could be born as one of 2921 01:42:49,790 --> 01:42:47,219 whatever I always worn people whatever 2922 01:42:52,010 --> 01:42:49,800 race you're afraid of whatever race you 2923 01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,020 really hate get ready because your next 2924 01:42:56,030 --> 01:42:54,239 lifetime you may be learning empathy and 2925 01:42:57,290 --> 01:42:56,040 you may be walking in their shoes and 2926 01:42:59,689 --> 01:42:57,300 that's how it works you you you 2927 01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:59,699 understand this idea that we're all one 2928 01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,960 thing and that's the message you're 2929 01:43:05,090 --> 01:43:02,400 saying as long as you're fighting with 2930 01:43:08,270 --> 01:43:05,100 each other and and try to you know take 2931 01:43:10,250 --> 01:43:08,280 you know get bigger economies it's like 2932 01:43:12,109 --> 01:43:10,260 even the idea of free energy 2933 01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:12,119 everything's free energy but say you get 2934 01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:13,320 the free energy we want the free energy 2935 01:43:16,430 --> 01:43:14,880 because we want to be able to strip the 2936 01:43:18,050 --> 01:43:16,440 leaves off the trees twice as fast as 2937 01:43:20,030 --> 01:43:18,060 we're stripping them off right now it's 2938 01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:20,040 this idea and it's almost like the the 2939 01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:22,679 the the it's the attitude that that that 2940 01:43:26,750 --> 01:43:25,199 is that is that is wrong it's the idea 2941 01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,760 we're going to get this technology and 2942 01:43:30,830 --> 01:43:29,040 we're gonna you know get bigger and have 2943 01:43:32,450 --> 01:43:30,840 more cars and more of this more of that 2944 01:43:35,149 --> 01:43:32,460 and they're they're basically saying 2945 01:43:37,310 --> 01:43:35,159 that you are working in this world where 2946 01:43:39,050 --> 01:43:37,320 it is winding down you guys are just 2947 01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:39,060 running the world into the ground and 2948 01:43:42,890 --> 01:43:40,800 it's this idea of separation my idea is 2949 01:43:45,229 --> 01:43:42,900 the the only thing that I believe is 2950 01:43:48,169 --> 01:43:45,239 evil in the modern world is one thing 2951 01:43:49,790 --> 01:43:48,179 and one thing only the mistakened belief 2952 01:43:51,169 --> 01:43:49,800 in separation if you actually believe 2953 01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:51,179 that you're separate from somebody else 2954 01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:52,800 you're not different from somebody else 2955 01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:54,960 when you harm somebody else you cut off 2956 01:43:58,850 --> 01:43:56,820 your own arm it's basically that simple 2957 01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:58,860 that we're all we're all connected we 2958 01:44:02,810 --> 01:44:00,960 all come from the same source and that's 2959 01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:02,820 the message that absolutely they are 2960 01:44:07,070 --> 01:44:04,260 trying to get across 2961 01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:07,080 what why do you think 2962 01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:09,960 um the leaks have stopped 2963 01:44:16,729 --> 01:44:14,280 we had we had a leakage problem uh with 2964 01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:16,739 uh the Department of Defense and and 2965 01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:18,420 Capitol Hill everybody was talking 2966 01:44:25,850 --> 01:44:21,600 everything was leaking and and suddenly 2967 01:44:28,490 --> 01:44:25,860 we don't have that now why why the leaks 2968 01:44:31,870 --> 01:44:28,500 were coming from the Department of 2969 01:44:34,490 --> 01:44:31,880 Defense that was you know what I mean 2970 01:44:38,689 --> 01:44:34,500 we weren't going there and stealing 2971 01:44:41,330 --> 01:44:38,699 stuff they were leaking it to uh the 2972 01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:41,340 media and members of the community why 2973 01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,820 why why have the leaks stopped well I 2974 01:44:48,890 --> 01:44:46,080 think some most of the leaks were coming 2975 01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:48,900 from people that were on on the outside 2976 01:44:53,390 --> 01:44:51,360 like Lu Elizondo and melon and stuff you 2977 01:44:55,010 --> 01:44:53,400 know it's like I I'm not saying but you 2978 01:44:56,990 --> 01:44:55,020 know there's there's more videos and 2979 01:44:58,910 --> 01:44:57,000 stuff that all came from from them but I 2980 01:45:01,910 --> 01:44:58,920 think what what it may be is that you 2981 01:45:03,890 --> 01:45:01,920 have this this this roadblock where the 2982 01:45:06,350 --> 01:45:03,900 the forces that controlled this 2983 01:45:08,030 --> 01:45:06,360 phenomena are saying to hell with you we 2984 01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:08,040 are not going to release this and 2985 01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:09,600 there's this roadblock where everything 2986 01:45:13,010 --> 01:45:11,340 is still adult where they're they're 2987 01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:13,020 trying to negotiate behind the scenes 2988 01:45:17,149 --> 01:45:14,940 and that that's why everything is 2989 01:45:19,010 --> 01:45:17,159 basically I think broken down in terms 2990 01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,020 of uh getting the stuff out it's not 2991 01:45:22,370 --> 01:45:21,119 like there's a river and and we're 2992 01:45:23,330 --> 01:45:22,380 moving to the next step and we're going 2993 01:45:24,770 --> 01:45:23,340 to have this report and then we're going 2994 01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:24,780 to have that report it's sort of like 2995 01:45:29,209 --> 01:45:26,880 okay you had your one report now the 2996 01:45:30,830 --> 01:45:29,219 forces that control this thing who have 2997 01:45:32,750 --> 01:45:30,840 it are saying this is national security 2998 01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:32,760 stuff we're going to stop this nonsense 2999 01:45:38,090 --> 01:45:36,000 and uh the Congress is is handicapped 3000 01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:38,100 because half the guys are packing up to 3001 01:45:41,810 --> 01:45:40,260 go home they've been uh they haven't 3002 01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,820 been elected they've lost their seat 3003 01:45:44,930 --> 01:45:43,199 they're waiting for the next one it's 3004 01:45:46,850 --> 01:45:44,940 like when the Canadian disclosure thing 3005 01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:46,860 happened they told us it happened it has 3006 01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,840 to happen before September the 7th this 3007 01:45:52,189 --> 01:45:50,639 was the opposition party that that was 3008 01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:52,199 behind this Canadian disclosure 3009 01:45:56,689 --> 01:45:54,600 initiative with 10 MPS they said it has 3010 01:45:58,729 --> 01:45:56,699 to happen before September the 7th and 3011 01:46:00,590 --> 01:45:58,739 the reason was because the Congressional 3012 01:46:02,750 --> 01:46:00,600 party that the the conservative party 3013 01:46:04,430 --> 01:46:02,760 that they're a part of was electing a 3014 01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:04,440 new leader and they basically said to us 3015 01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:07,260 after September the 7th we have no idea 3016 01:46:10,430 --> 01:46:08,639 what's going to happen so it has to 3017 01:46:12,590 --> 01:46:10,440 happen before September the 7th the same 3018 01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,600 as here is once a new Congress comes in 3019 01:46:15,229 --> 01:46:14,400 you you have no idea what's going to 3020 01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:15,239 happen you don't know who's going to 3021 01:46:17,450 --> 01:46:16,320 head the committees or what they're 3022 01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,460 going to want to investigate or whatever 3023 01:46:20,570 --> 01:46:18,960 it all falls apart you're going to start 3024 01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,580 building it up again now we've got all 3025 01:46:23,570 --> 01:46:22,080 the right people but half the people 3026 01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:23,580 that are involved in the disclosure 3027 01:46:28,850 --> 01:46:26,400 thing on the government side uh are you 3028 01:46:30,890 --> 01:46:28,860 know uh lost their seed or they've 3029 01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:30,900 retired or you know that that's the 3030 01:46:33,470 --> 01:46:32,159 thing is there's different committees 3031 01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:33,480 there's going to be the intelligence 3032 01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,800 Community the armed services committee 3033 01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:36,239 that we're running this thing in the 3034 01:46:38,750 --> 01:46:37,440 house in the Senate they're going to 3035 01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:38,760 have new leadership it's all going to be 3036 01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:40,199 Republican leadership and if the 3037 01:46:43,609 --> 01:46:42,119 Republican leadership decides that it's 3038 01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:43,619 more important to go after Biden's 3039 01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:45,360 laptop or whatever forget it they're 3040 01:46:48,169 --> 01:46:46,800 just not going to do it the the 3041 01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:48,179 priorities all change that's what the 3042 01:46:51,229 --> 01:46:50,340 Canadians told us after September 7th 3043 01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:51,239 it's over you got to do it before 3044 01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:53,400 September the 7th so we decided to do 3045 01:46:57,050 --> 01:46:55,860 August 26th and then it all fell apart 3046 01:46:58,970 --> 01:46:57,060 over this thing about whether we're 3047 01:47:01,370 --> 01:46:58,980 going to do a scientific or a military 3048 01:47:04,910 --> 01:47:01,380 investigation 3049 01:47:08,510 --> 01:47:04,920 the um the other part about this though 3050 01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:08,520 is uh where you've got so many 3051 01:47:14,689 --> 01:47:11,760 researchers out there John Greenwald you 3052 01:47:18,109 --> 01:47:14,699 know comes to mind first that are doing 3053 01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:18,119 foia's uh chasing things down 3054 01:47:24,109 --> 01:47:21,119 um and we have specifically Now search 3055 01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:24,119 terms that we didn't have before 3056 01:47:31,609 --> 01:47:28,020 um and you know UAP and and videos and 3057 01:47:35,149 --> 01:47:31,619 uh UAP task force we have certain areas 3058 01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:35,159 to go into it seems that there would be 3059 01:47:42,109 --> 01:47:39,119 a lot of documents uh being exposed 3060 01:47:43,129 --> 01:47:42,119 where even that has has slowed down I 3061 01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:43,139 don't know if there's going to be any 3062 01:47:47,810 --> 01:47:46,080 hearings anymore the chatter of that uh 3063 01:47:51,410 --> 01:47:47,820 you know there there isn't there isn't 3064 01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:51,420 any political uh upsmanship uh you know 3065 01:47:58,010 --> 01:47:55,199 going on and and trying to to gain an 3066 01:48:00,169 --> 01:47:58,020 advantage here everything seems to have 3067 01:48:02,689 --> 01:48:00,179 simmered down like somebody flipped the 3068 01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:02,699 switch they flipped switched to on in 3069 01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:05,699 2017 didn't they somebody certainly 3070 01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:07,980 flipped that switch and said the 3071 01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,800 floodgates are open that switch has been 3072 01:48:14,450 --> 01:48:12,480 turned off 3073 01:48:15,709 --> 01:48:14,460 yeah but but I I think it's it's 3074 01:48:18,169 --> 01:48:15,719 basically got to do with the fact that 3075 01:48:20,450 --> 01:48:18,179 we had an election and and everything's 3076 01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:20,460 sort of switching from one party to the 3077 01:48:23,870 --> 01:48:22,080 other in terms of who sets up the 3078 01:48:26,750 --> 01:48:23,880 Committees and stuff like that we just 3079 01:48:31,850 --> 01:48:26,760 had a hearing six months ago you know 3080 01:48:34,729 --> 01:48:31,860 and it's that's that wasn't motivated uh 3081 01:48:38,030 --> 01:48:34,739 the the chatter was high Grant I I just 3082 01:48:41,629 --> 01:48:38,040 don't understand who is who is deciding 3083 01:48:42,890 --> 01:48:41,639 uh this subject well but but it would it 3084 01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,900 would break down because you've got to 3085 01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:44,400 run for election so in the last couple 3086 01:48:47,930 --> 01:48:45,900 of months everybody's been you know 3087 01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,940 spending 50 or 100 million dollars to 3088 01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:49,679 win their seat and they're they're busy 3089 01:48:53,330 --> 01:48:50,880 doing their election and they're not 3090 01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,340 even in in in Washington and then 3091 01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,960 they're on recess and all this kind of 3092 01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:56,159 stuff so 3093 01:49:00,410 --> 01:48:58,800 um I I'm not really surprised it it it's 3094 01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:00,420 a thing that's going to take many years 3095 01:49:04,850 --> 01:49:03,420 and I think uh I'm encouraged by one 3096 01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:04,860 thing you mentioned there's no documents 3097 01:49:08,629 --> 01:49:06,780 well you talk about John Greenwell he 3098 01:49:10,850 --> 01:49:08,639 had the thing with the the Obama 3099 01:49:13,250 --> 01:49:10,860 Administration where he filed and they 3100 01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:13,260 told them 26 000 Pages well I'll tell 3101 01:49:17,090 --> 01:49:14,940 you I filed before John Greenwald about 3102 01:49:18,649 --> 01:49:17,100 uh long before John Greenwell I'm 3103 01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,659 getting my documents for John Greenwell 3104 01:49:22,750 --> 01:49:20,880 I've got all sorts of reports for for 3105 01:49:26,570 --> 01:49:22,760 example what I call this the three kings 3106 01:49:28,750 --> 01:49:26,580 McCaslin McKay and and Robert Weiss I 3107 01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:28,760 filed fois with the Obama Administration 3108 01:49:33,410 --> 01:49:31,679 for uh documents and I've got stuff 3109 01:49:34,850 --> 01:49:33,420 coming out of classified files so they 3110 01:49:37,129 --> 01:49:34,860 give you first of all the unclassified 3111 01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:37,139 files then the classified files I filed 3112 01:49:40,250 --> 01:49:38,580 on Tim Taylor because there was a rumor 3113 01:49:42,350 --> 01:49:40,260 that Tim Taylor briefed the president of 3114 01:49:43,970 --> 01:49:42,360 the United States on Chris Metzel so of 3115 01:49:46,430 --> 01:49:43,980 course I filed for Tim Taylor all the 3116 01:49:47,930 --> 01:49:46,440 documents on Tim Taylor there's like 400 3117 01:49:50,450 --> 01:49:47,940 Pages or something like that so there's 3118 01:49:52,250 --> 01:49:50,460 I've got all sorts of these foia's I've 3119 01:49:54,050 --> 01:49:52,260 got thousands of pages of documents that 3120 01:49:55,850 --> 01:49:54,060 are coming the Clinton stuff is about to 3121 01:49:57,530 --> 01:49:55,860 go online I had the Clinton stuff and I 3122 01:49:59,689 --> 01:49:57,540 was really not really that interested in 3123 01:50:01,609 --> 01:49:59,699 so I really didn't uh pay attention to 3124 01:50:04,250 --> 01:50:01,619 it but they're they're putting it online 3125 01:50:05,810 --> 01:50:04,260 on uh some of these guys that do the 3126 01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:05,820 online stuff and I'm really impressed 3127 01:50:10,370 --> 01:50:07,860 with the new generation I I remember 3128 01:50:12,350 --> 01:50:10,380 like I called them the Young Guns these 3129 01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:12,360 young people are really it's a different 3130 01:50:15,470 --> 01:50:14,159 world world I mean they know how to use 3131 01:50:17,330 --> 01:50:15,480 computers they know how to do the 3132 01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,340 searches and you remember back in the 3133 01:50:21,709 --> 01:50:19,440 70s and 80s and 90s I mean we're doing 3134 01:50:22,970 --> 01:50:21,719 it by snail mail you'd put out a letter 3135 01:50:24,590 --> 01:50:22,980 to someone to wait for two weeks for 3136 01:50:26,030 --> 01:50:24,600 something to come back now it's moving 3137 01:50:27,950 --> 01:50:26,040 at the speed of light and I'm really 3138 01:50:29,209 --> 01:50:27,960 encouraged by these young people who 3139 01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,219 know what they're doing and they're 3140 01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:32,159 pushing and the the the internet has 3141 01:50:37,010 --> 01:50:34,800 really uh cut the half-life of this 3142 01:50:39,169 --> 01:50:37,020 disclosure thing down that there's 3143 01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:39,179 there's so many people pressing there's 3144 01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,520 so many people finding stuff uh and and 3145 01:50:45,410 --> 01:50:43,440 doing interviews and doing podcasts and 3146 01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:45,420 stuff there's just so much material is 3147 01:50:49,310 --> 01:50:48,000 impossible even to keep up with in terms 3148 01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:49,320 of what they're doing it's all young 3149 01:50:52,370 --> 01:50:50,880 people they're doing so I'm I'm really 3150 01:50:53,870 --> 01:50:52,380 encouraged I used to we used to have 3151 01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:53,880 this joke where they had they said you 3152 01:50:58,850 --> 01:50:56,280 know is there is there a uh uh a 3153 01:51:01,609 --> 01:50:58,860 discount in the conference for uh senior 3154 01:51:04,189 --> 01:51:01,619 citizens and the organizer said no if we 3155 01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,199 had that everybody get a discount now 3156 01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:06,480 it's like it's not the old gray-haired 3157 01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:08,159 people anymore it's the young people and 3158 01:51:11,570 --> 01:51:10,080 I'm pretty encouraged by the smartness 3159 01:51:13,609 --> 01:51:11,580 of some of these people and the 3160 01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:13,619 aggressiveness of what they're doing and 3161 01:51:17,090 --> 01:51:14,880 they know how the game's played and they 3162 01:51:19,490 --> 01:51:17,100 know who it's working and I think I'm 3163 01:51:22,129 --> 01:51:19,500 pretty encouraged that it may it may 3164 01:51:24,649 --> 01:51:22,139 take time but uh whoever would have 3165 01:51:26,270 --> 01:51:24,659 believed I remember telling uh I told 3166 01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:26,280 the story when when Steve Bassett said 3167 01:51:29,390 --> 01:51:28,080 at one conference all the people on 3168 01:51:30,530 --> 01:51:29,400 stage all the speakers when is 3169 01:51:32,450 --> 01:51:30,540 disclosure going to take place and 3170 01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:32,460 people said six months they said a year 3171 01:51:36,109 --> 01:51:34,080 and it came to me and I didn't want to 3172 01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:36,119 embarrass Steve by saying never so I 3173 01:51:42,890 --> 01:51:40,320 said 2042 I was floored in 2017 when it 3174 01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:42,900 was disclosed so now you say uh when 3175 01:51:45,890 --> 01:51:44,400 when will the disclosure take place and 3176 01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:45,900 I say I would not be surprised if it 3177 01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:47,340 happens tomorrow morning because I was 3178 01:51:50,990 --> 01:51:49,199 totally talked taken off guard by the 3179 01:51:53,149 --> 01:51:51,000 first time and I believe it wasn't going 3180 01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,159 to happen and I believe there's so many 3181 01:51:57,649 --> 01:51:55,440 people and the internet how do you it's 3182 01:51:59,209 --> 01:51:57,659 almost like the akashic files there's so 3183 01:52:01,609 --> 01:51:59,219 much material on the internet that you 3184 01:52:03,229 --> 01:52:01,619 can you can search and it's very hard to 3185 01:52:05,209 --> 01:52:03,239 keep a secret now compared to the way it 3186 01:52:07,010 --> 01:52:05,219 was before I'm very encouraged by the 3187 01:52:08,570 --> 01:52:07,020 young people and the pressure that they 3188 01:52:11,209 --> 01:52:08,580 are putting on this subject to get 3189 01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:11,219 answers so Tim Taylor that's his real 3190 01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:14,639 name Tim Taylor isn't Travis Taylor this 3191 01:52:19,490 --> 01:52:16,800 is Travis Taylor's Nassau but Tim Taylor 3192 01:52:22,010 --> 01:52:19,500 Tim Taylor is Tyler D in American 3193 01:52:24,169 --> 01:52:22,020 college right I always thought that that 3194 01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:24,179 was uh Travis Taylor so you're saying 3195 01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:27,000 Tim Taylor is his real name he was a 3196 01:52:32,810 --> 01:52:28,920 real dude and you've got 3197 01:52:34,490 --> 01:52:32,820 400 Pages coming in from afoya yeah but 3198 01:52:36,050 --> 01:52:34,500 but again it may not have anything to do 3199 01:52:37,490 --> 01:52:36,060 and they have to do something totally 3200 01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:37,500 different or whatever I just put the 3201 01:52:41,390 --> 01:52:39,780 name so the way I do my foa is when I go 3202 01:52:43,490 --> 01:52:41,400 after the presidential stuff is you just 3203 01:52:45,470 --> 01:52:43,500 throw darts so you put in of course like 3204 01:52:47,090 --> 01:52:45,480 McCaslin and give me everything on with 3205 01:52:48,590 --> 01:52:47,100 Castle give me everything on Royce give 3206 01:52:49,970 --> 01:52:48,600 me everything on McKay give me 3207 01:52:52,490 --> 01:52:49,980 everything on Tom Delong give me 3208 01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:52,500 everything on you know and you just file 3209 01:52:57,229 --> 01:52:55,199 every name you can possibly think of and 3210 01:52:59,930 --> 01:52:57,239 it's not costing you anything and it's 3211 01:53:01,970 --> 01:52:59,940 all done digitally and uh it's gonna 3212 01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:01,980 take you know a couple months or a 3213 01:53:06,590 --> 01:53:04,320 couple years for it to happen but that's 3214 01:53:08,629 --> 01:53:06,600 all going to be unraveled and uh I think 3215 01:53:11,570 --> 01:53:08,639 we're gonna we're gonna find some stuff 3216 01:53:13,129 --> 01:53:11,580 uh that we we didn't know but the 3217 01:53:16,850 --> 01:53:13,139 government has already been like from 3218 01:53:19,250 --> 01:53:16,860 1948 we already knew when uh when uh 3219 01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:19,260 Truman uh brought his new air advisor in 3220 01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:21,119 he said I want to briefing on UFOs every 3221 01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,040 three months orally and I want you to go 3222 01:53:27,770 --> 01:53:25,440 to the CIA so in 1948 they already knew 3223 01:53:29,930 --> 01:53:27,780 not to keep files on UFOs so a lot of 3224 01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,940 this would be done orally I mean it's 3225 01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:31,440 not to get over optimistic that they've 3226 01:53:36,410 --> 01:53:33,119 written all the stuff down or whatever 3227 01:53:37,310 --> 01:53:36,420 uh but I'm I'm optimistic that there's 3228 01:53:39,050 --> 01:53:37,320 going to be a lot of stuff coming 3229 01:53:41,090 --> 01:53:39,060 because Obama was really into it there's 3230 01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:41,100 no doubt about it and podesta we know 3231 01:53:45,950 --> 01:53:43,679 the podesta was was heavily influencing 3232 01:53:47,629 --> 01:53:45,960 I I can't remember how many pages on 3233 01:53:49,970 --> 01:53:47,639 podesta there's a lot of pages on 3234 01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:49,980 podesta I'm getting as well so uh we'll 3235 01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,320 see and I ask same as when John 3236 01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,480 Greenwell filed on UFOs all this kind of 3237 01:53:57,950 --> 01:53:56,760 stuff I think they said 26 000 pages so 3238 01:53:59,209 --> 01:53:57,960 there's going to be a lot of stuff 3239 01:54:00,169 --> 01:53:59,219 coming out of the Obama administration 3240 01:54:01,669 --> 01:54:00,179 because there's a lot of people 3241 01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:01,679 interested it's not like the old days 3242 01:54:07,129 --> 01:54:04,800 where nobody talked about it uh Obama 3243 01:54:08,750 --> 01:54:07,139 came out and Declassified Area 51 by 3244 01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:08,760 talking about it and so a lot of people 3245 01:54:13,490 --> 01:54:11,760 it was sort of open and it's more of an 3246 01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:13,500 atmosphere where you can talk about UFOs 3247 01:54:18,290 --> 01:54:16,320 today after 2017 than before and that's 3248 01:54:20,750 --> 01:54:18,300 the fastest thing for disclosure is the 3249 01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,760 fact that it's no longer an issue that 3250 01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:22,800 ostracizes you you can talk about it in 3251 01:54:26,510 --> 01:54:24,540 the halls of the Pentagon you can talk 3252 01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,520 about it in DARPA you can talk about it 3253 01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:28,800 in a university it it's not no longer 3254 01:54:33,169 --> 01:54:31,440 John you know John Mack where you're 3255 01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:33,179 going to get thrown out you can now talk 3256 01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:35,040 about it you've got the the you know 3257 01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:36,960 Harvard study all this kind of stuff 3258 01:54:40,910 --> 01:54:39,119 it's a different world than it was it's 3259 01:54:42,410 --> 01:54:40,920 it's moving faster than I could ever 3260 01:54:43,970 --> 01:54:42,420 possibly imagine and I think that's 3261 01:54:45,950 --> 01:54:43,980 because of the technology and the 3262 01:54:48,350 --> 01:54:45,960 internet and and the people know how to 3263 01:54:50,209 --> 01:54:48,360 work it and uh we were I think we're 3264 01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:50,219 getting disclosure I never believed this 3265 01:54:54,890 --> 01:54:52,020 would happen never in my life not a way 3266 01:54:58,370 --> 01:54:54,900 not a chance yeah we're here for sure 3267 01:55:00,890 --> 01:54:58,380 it's it it's a different time uh on my 3268 01:55:04,370 --> 01:55:00,900 uh show into the Vortex you know last 3269 01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:04,380 week I had on Avi Loeb and to sit down 3270 01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:06,480 with Avi in person you know there's one 3271 01:55:10,669 --> 01:55:09,360 thing on you know you know with cameras 3272 01:55:13,310 --> 01:55:10,679 in the internet but it's another thing 3273 01:55:17,570 --> 01:55:13,320 to sit down and break bread and have 3274 01:55:19,370 --> 01:55:17,580 dinner and and and things and uh his 3275 01:55:21,590 --> 01:55:19,380 commitment to this 3276 01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:21,600 you know when when you're looking at 3277 01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,239 somebody face to face and and you see 3278 01:55:28,609 --> 01:55:26,239 how serious he is about this subject 3279 01:55:30,770 --> 01:55:28,619 we've definitely turned the page Grant 3280 01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:30,780 you're you're 100 on that you're you're 3281 01:55:34,609 --> 01:55:32,400 and you just drag the people in like you 3282 01:55:36,530 --> 01:55:34,619 talked about the orbs and and so I knew 3283 01:55:38,270 --> 01:55:36,540 that Bob McGuire was it was interesting 3284 01:55:40,609 --> 01:55:38,280 Bob McGuire's had these two download 3285 01:55:42,590 --> 01:55:40,619 experiences like I had that both LED to 3286 01:55:44,570 --> 01:55:42,600 billion dollar corporations so Bob 3287 01:55:46,189 --> 01:55:44,580 McGuire's a smart guy and he's into this 3288 01:55:48,290 --> 01:55:46,199 you talk about me being indoors he's 3289 01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:48,300 into this big time he's him and his 3290 01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,159 girlfriend are like they're just totally 3291 01:55:54,290 --> 01:55:52,560 obsessed with this I said Bob do you 3292 01:55:56,270 --> 01:55:54,300 think you can get a a piece of equipment 3293 01:55:57,890 --> 01:55:56,280 that will detect this can you figure out 3294 01:55:59,810 --> 01:55:57,900 what's going on and I guarantee he's 3295 01:56:02,090 --> 01:55:59,820 working on it he even had one with the 3296 01:56:03,770 --> 01:56:02,100 orb word there's a sound and he told me 3297 01:56:05,930 --> 01:56:03,780 what the frequency of the sound was he's 3298 01:56:07,790 --> 01:56:05,940 the smartest guy in the room and I I'm 3299 01:56:09,950 --> 01:56:07,800 pressuring him now come on and you're 3300 01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,960 dragging a few more people to to look at 3301 01:56:13,010 --> 01:56:11,760 this who get interested and sooner or 3302 01:56:14,930 --> 01:56:13,020 later we're gonna have technology to 3303 01:56:16,250 --> 01:56:14,940 tell us whether it's just dust or 3304 01:56:18,169 --> 01:56:16,260 whether it's really something or 3305 01:56:20,270 --> 01:56:18,179 whatever but the thing is to look at it 3306 01:56:22,669 --> 01:56:20,280 and and I'm really happy that Bob 3307 01:56:24,290 --> 01:56:22,679 McGuire is actually on the on the ball 3308 01:56:25,490 --> 01:56:24,300 and he's obsessed with this and he's 3309 01:56:27,770 --> 01:56:25,500 going to try to figure this thing out 3310 01:56:31,490 --> 01:56:27,780 thank you so much Grant behave and be 3311 01:56:34,910 --> 01:56:31,500 well be safe and and happy holidays all 3312 01:56:36,770 --> 01:56:34,920 right and the book is UFO Sky Pilots the 3313 01:56:39,290 --> 01:56:36,780 next book when is it coming out 3314 01:56:41,870 --> 01:56:39,300 uh well within the next month and it's 3315 01:56:43,970 --> 01:56:41,880 called weird a ports and manifestations 3316 01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:43,980 that's what I'm talking about Grant 3317 01:56:48,250 --> 01:56:46,440 Cameron hey Grant 3318 01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,260 take a breath 3319 01:56:52,669 --> 01:56:50,639 I had lots of coffee today I'm ready to 3320 01:56:54,290 --> 01:56:52,679 go you're the best thank you so much 3321 01:56:57,470 --> 01:56:54,300 thank you Jimmy I appreciate your 3322 01:57:00,770 --> 01:56:57,480 interest you're the best Grant Cameron 3323 01:57:03,470 --> 01:57:00,780 presidential UFOs is the website and of 3324 01:57:06,290 --> 01:57:03,480 course you can follow uh Grant you know 3325 01:57:07,550 --> 01:57:06,300 over on uh Facebook and and Twitter as 3326 01:57:09,109 --> 01:57:07,560 well 3327 01:57:11,270 --> 01:57:09,119 um absolutely fantastic information 3328 01:57:13,850 --> 01:57:11,280 tonight thank you so much Grant I am 3329 01:57:16,729 --> 01:57:13,860 your host Jimmy Church another episode 3330 01:57:17,689 --> 01:57:16,739 of Fade to Black in the can thank you 3331 01:57:20,689 --> 01:57:17,699 grant 3332 01:57:21,770 --> 01:57:20,699 tomorrow night I've got David Marler 3333 01:57:23,689 --> 01:57:21,780 here 3334 01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:23,699 tomorrow night Wednesday night Melinda 3335 01:57:29,810 --> 01:57:28,380 Leslie and uh Thursday I'm doing the 3336 01:57:33,649 --> 01:57:29,820 Jimmy Church 3337 01:57:35,450 --> 01:57:33,659 deep dive into the Fermi Paradox great 3338 01:57:37,070 --> 01:57:35,460 week coming up on Fade to Black Fade to 3339 01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:37,080 Black is produced by MJ Palm Renee 3340 01:57:41,629 --> 01:57:39,840 Dennis and Kevin announces our Steve 3341 01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:41,639 harder oh I don't have any announcers 3342 01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:42,719 anymore 3343 01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:45,360 yeah webmasters drew the geek music Doug 3344 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